Talk:Armenian architecture/Archive 1

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Archive 1

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First thought: the redirect should be redirected. "Architecture of Armenia" is clearly an inaccurate term to use. "Armenian Architecture" should be the correct term because: 1/ Most Armenian architecture lies outside of the present-day borders of Armenia. 2/ Much Armenian architecture lies outside of the borders of historical Armenia, such as in Georgia, or in western Turkey. 3/ Much of the architecture of present-day Armenia shows no specifically-Armenian stylistic features. Meowy 20:40, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Any objections towards a page move?The Myotis (talk) 14:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

My main question is, should architecture be capitalised in the proposed new title? Andrewa (talk) 03:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't believe it makes much of a difference, but in what I have seen for most articles on Architectural styles, "architecture" is usually not capitalized. The Myotis (talk) 04:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

In which case, the move should be to Armenian architecture. Andrewa (talk) 05:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, can you move it? Or do we have to re-submit a move request over the issue of capitalization? The Myotis (talk) 05:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

If (as seems likely) we establish a consensus here that the name should be Armenian architecture, then I or any number of other admins will be glad to move it to that title. The rules are a means to an end. Our only objective is building an encyclopedia. Andrewa (talk) 08:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Support a move to Armenian architecture (per Meowy & Andrewa). If this move went ahead, perhaps the opening paragraph of this article could allude to the concepts detailed above? --Lox (t,c) 10:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Page moved to Armenian architecture, per above discussion. -GTBacchus^(talk) 01:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

tuff or tufa

Looking at the two pages, the correct stone seems to be tuff rather than tufa, but I wanted to check before just changing it. Also perhaps there should be some mention of the distinctive pink tone of much of the tuff used in Armenia - though that's more in modern buildings than in traditional churches, which are more often gray or a combination of orange and black. Fasrad (talk) 03:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Tufa is the variety of stone mentioned by the sources, and the Tufa article mentions it is common in Armenia. While it is possible the source misstates the stone type and the presence of tufa in Armenia is coincidental, I would like this confirmed by another independent source before changing it. The Myotis (talk) 04:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm not a geologist, so I hesitate to change it - but what I saw in Armenia was described to me several times as being volcanic in origin. Much of it was lightweight, easily broken, and foamed with bubbles like other volcanic rock I've seen. If anyone else has any knowledge about this, I'd appreciate them sharing it. Fasrad (talk) 20:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Tufa does seem to be mentioned in many sources, but what is being described is actually tuff. Maybe there are regional differences in what the word tufa stands for, given that the tufa described in the wikipedia "tufa" article is not a widespread rock. In Armenia I think it is mostly basaltic tuff. Meowy 19:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

A quick google search finds plenty of references to "volcanic tufa" used to describe the same rock that is called tuff, so the terms seem to be interchangeable. Meowy 19:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Truth is that tuff and tufa woud have been exactly the same thing as far as masons and architects were concerned, They would have been uninterested in geology, what was important was the qualities of the rock - in this case rock having a lightweight and porous structure. Meowy 15:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

style developed over 4,500 years

Any reference on this would be appreciated. - Alsandro · T · w:ka: Th · T 12:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Tuff or tufa revisited

If the rock is volcanic than it is tuff and not tufa, whatever the sources say, there is often confusion about this in non-geological literature. I'm going to be bold and change tufa to to tuff throughout the article, though I will look for sources - found one here [1]. Mikenorton (talk) 17:49, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

LOL at "whatever the sources say" - talk about breaking the cardinal rule of Wikipedia! ONLY what the sources say, is the correct route to follow. And a tourist guidebook is not a suitable source for architectural terms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.93.115 (talk) 03:17, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

As long as source is WP:RS --Addictedtohistory (talk) 18:57, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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Suggestions for "Gallery: Examples of contemporary Armenian religious architecture"

I've reorganised the photos by region, in an encyclopedic context one needs some order. I hope you agree. There are regional differences (in Armenia "replicas" of older churches lost to time or history, in the US non-traditional materials and colours, etc.), throwing them all in one bag looks messy. You can add Eastern Europe to Russia, there are several there (Romania, Moldova, Bulgaria,...). Or all of Europe outside Armenia together in one category. Arminden (talk) 10:44, 22 November 2020 (UTC)