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St Totteringham's Day[edit]

The table is a copyright infringement. See http://replay.web.archive.org/20040328160659/http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~mikepitt/totteringham.html Note the copyright notice. This table was inserted in March this year. That page dates back to 2004. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.13.197.229 (talk) 18:35, 20 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This has again been left uncredited. Can someone put in a link to the person who did the original reserarch? Basic politeness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.13.197.229 (talk) 12:59, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of supporters[edit]

I was WP:Bold and removed all the supporters that didn't have sources. Here is the list in case anyone wants to do the research and add any of them back in: Simon Cowell (Music Mogul and TV Personality) Julian Clarey (Comedian) Robert Pattinson (Actor) Luol Deng (Basketball player) Ronnie O'Sullivan (Snooker player) Matt Lucas (Actor and Comedian) Leona Lewis (Singer) Lewis Hamilton (F1 Driver) Chad Ochocinco (American Football player) Chris Lowe (Musician with the Pet Shop Boys) Nick Hornby (Author) Kevin Costner (Actor) Damon Hill (former F1 World Champion) Alan Davies (Actor and Comedian) Roger Daltrey (Musician) Roger Waters (Musician) Rachel Stevens (Singer) Dermot O'Leary (TV Presenter) Davina McCall (TV Presenter) Henry Cooper (for World Champion Boxer) Frankie Dettori (former Jockey) Mark Ramprakash (Cricket Player) Dara Ó Briain (TV Presenter and Comedian) Paul Kaye (TV Presenter and Comedian) Ainsley Harriot (TV Presenter) Phil Tufnell (former Cricket Player) Melvyn Bragg (TV Presenter) John Lydon (Musician) Clive Anderson (TV Presenter) Dido (Singer) Joan Collins Ian Poulter Steve Earle 

(Singer)

Tamzin Outhwaite (Actress) Gerard Horan Nicholas Farrell Gwyneth Strong David Soul (Actor) Gillian Anderson (Actress) Kathy Burke (Actress) Saffron Burrows Jamie Bell (Actor) Yusuf Islam(Cat Stevens) (Musician) Douglas Adams Sarah Michelle Gellar (Actress) [19] Freddie Prinze Jr. (Actor) Alan Parker David Frost (TV Presenter and Journalist) Rory McGrath (TV Presenter) Paulo Coelho Jacob Oram Dale Winton (TV Presenter) Dermot Murnaghan (TV Presenter) Lisa Rogers (TV Presenter) Matthew Wright (TV Presenter) Edward Heath Boy George (Singer) Chris Patten (former Politician) Alicia Markova Jonathan Sacks[22] Kate Lawler (TV Presenter) Nicole Appleton (Singer) Barbara Windsor (Actress) Gary Glitter (Singer) Ruby Wax (Comedian) Streen Mike Reid Reggie Yates (TV Presenter) Dominic Mohan (Journalist) Anthony Horowitz Omar Abdi George Michael (Singer) Bradley Walsh Warren Tredrea Tim Wheeler Ronnie Biggs (criminal) Ramnik "Rambo" Rajguru Younis Khan (Cricketer)


  • Oh I've got to say I admire your pluck! But I think they were included because it says so on the respective WP pages, if they don't then you were correct but there are some in there who are known to be Arsenal fans. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 17:05, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Over the next day or so I'll go through each of these people, find where it says they're Arsenal fans in WP, check those sources, and add it all back here. OK, that make take more than a day but since I deleted all of them I should at least make an effort to check them. SQGibbon (talk) 17:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've added some back. Stopped with Roger Waters (couldn't find source). Will start again with Rachel Stevens later. I've added some hidden notes with the citation needed tags making clear why I left those names on the list. SQGibbon (talk) 18:36, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, finished auditing previous list. Everything is well sourced now. Will check back in a month or so to see if the "citation needed" folks have been filled in and if not then they're gone from the list too. SQGibbon (talk) 22:43, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a month now so I deleted all the people who needed citations. Also removed the citation needed tag for the section since it's all sourced now. SQGibbon (talk) 20:29, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just happened to re-visit this page and noted your efforts. Well Done. Maybe just a coincidence, the first name i tried, Dermot Murnaghan, actually is a gooner, just that the original source maybe a bit suspicious and found out that sky news actually have an official biography stating that he is a gooner.
Thanks, the best part was being able to remove the "citation needed" tag from the section. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these people are Arsenal fans after all. I only looked at the sources supplied here or on their WP pages, i.e., I didn't look for any other sources to confirm the claims. Being a Man U. fan I didn't want to do all the work! SQGibbon (talk) 06:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In all of that we seem to have lost Matt Lucas as an Arsenal fan. (unless I've lost my eyesight running through the list). Matt Lucas is such a well known Arsenal fan that it shouldn't really need referencing - certainly I've seen him representing Arsenal fans at Ashburton Grove myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.106.224.73 (talk) 19:26, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are right, I have added him. (although I dislike having to use a tabloid like The Sun as a source but as it passes reliability.) The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 19:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How has Colin Firth been passed over on the list of famous Gooners? If anything, he's likely to be the biggest Gooner of them all! Edeniade (talk) 07:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It should then be pretty easy to find a good source to support the claim and then we can add it in. SQGibbon (talk) 07:21, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Precisely. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 10:19, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should we make the list itself collapsible? That is, the list itself, the supporting text could stay outside the collapasible area, so that readers know what is inside the collapsed part. Not that it detracts from the article, but if you want to skip that part by scrolling, it can be a pain because it's rather long (congratulations to Arsenal for having so many supporters) User:ConconJondor talk contribs 18:40, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe make the St. Totteringham's Day list collapsable as well? The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 20:33, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thierry Henry as gooner?[edit]

I'm not sure that Henry should be listed here. For one thing he's still an active player so it feels odd. The other thing is that after scanning his article on Wikipedia I didn't see anything that said he's still an Arsenal supporter. If it's only that he made his career with Arsenal is the reason for listing him, I don't see that's justified. SQGibbon (talk) 00:45, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, he said it himself here that he is a Gooner despite moving on. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 14:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
When he was injured at the beginning of the season he came back to London to watch a couple of games with his kid. He's said many times that he's a gooner but I agree that it's a bit weird to include him as he's still an active player. Saebhiar Adishatz 14:56, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree it's weird but the source The C of E supplied makes it pretty clear. I added the citation. I'm OK with his inclusion but if anyone objects I'd be OK with that too. SQGibbon (talk) 15:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How large is the fanbase?[edit]

The source quoted for the "27 million" figure is now a dead link [1]. I've been unable to find anything else online that estimates the number of fans Arsenal has. Any suggestions? SQGibbon (talk) 20:44, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I Think that source when it was live was correct as they were owning 10% of ARsenal at the time so would have had access to Arsenal membership records. Maybe this could suffice? (but I suspect it might not) The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 21:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I don't doubt the veracity of the original source but now that the document is no longer available (as far as I can tell), I'm not sure we can use it as a source now. As for the Answer.com link, I'm betting the answer there was taken from the Wikipedia article or at least was using the same source this article was. I don't think it would hurt the article to delete the specific claim (I didn't notice any such claims on the pages of other football teams, e.g., Man U.). I did find this source showing Arsenal's popularity online but that was the best I could do. SQGibbon (talk) 21:24, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
There is maybe this which states the claim 2 years earlier than the Wikipedia article gives it credit. As for the other claim, Celtic claim their fanbase is 9 million which does not make this page the only one that specifically claim the amount of supporters. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 21:41, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously the Myarsenaltickets.co.uk site is using the same no longer verifiable source as the rest of us. However, perhaps they are a reliable enough secondary source for that claim such that we could link to them. I would be fine with that. Good catch on the Celtics' number, if only we could find sources as good as that one (I already tried that some company — no luck). SQGibbon (talk) 22:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

gunners are the best![edit]

thats all, the gunners are international well known fans, best fans! LOL! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wummer71 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Darren Sammy[edit]

Darren Sammy (West Indies cricket captain) stated in an interview about his team's interest in the conclusion to the 2011/12 Premier League season (shown at 14.35 on 14 May 12) that he is an Arsenal fan. (He was referring to the reaction of MU fans in the West Indies squad, but stated that he personally was an Arsenal fan who wanted City to win the title.) Currently no web refs to back this up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.157.211 (talk) 14:02, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Section Notable supporters[edit]

So the article was kept, I can see the article being a decent article if done right. But I sware the whole section Notable supporters is listcraft devrived from tabloid which can't always be factful and has to go. Can I put that to a vote.

Should the Notable supporters section be deleted?

I say delete as per what I stated above. Govvy (talk) 14:36, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In all honesty, I think the list is fine as it is fully sourced. Granted, perhaps better sources could be found, but it is sourced nonetheless. What needs sorting is the rest of the content; there's barely enough there to warrant an article. – PeeJay 15:21, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

With all the lies and untruths surrounding Osama Bin Laden are you seriously saying we should take a BBC "news" article as justification of him being an Arsenal supporter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.51.164 (talk) 19:12, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I happened to notice edits while patrolling Recent Changes. Seems to me that a crufty list of specific supporters does not belong in an article about supporters in general.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 12:49, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Though technically @Skywatcher68:, LISTCRUST is an essay, not a Wikipedia policy or official editing guideline. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 13:29, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Remove per WP:LISTCRUFT and WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE. Past consensus on WikiProject Football has also been against such lists (see here or here) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.244.57 (talk) 18:37, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Francois Hollande ??[edit]

Seriously, another fan added, this time it's Francois Hollande. How in what why is that true? As Arsenal News own website says, it's a fan site. [2] [3] He is obviously wearing an Arsenal top, because he was given it as a gift, this doesn't make him an Arsenal fan! Govvy (talk) 12:18, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well this is gonna happen to sections like this. -Koppapa (talk) 18:59, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that the source alone is not reliable is sufficiant to remove it from the list as a potential BLP violation. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 22:01, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you can stand to watch the interview with Laurent Koscielny on Arsenal's website they met as they are both from the same town and were there for a youth football event. Hollande put the shirt on for a press picture which does not make him a fan.--Egghead06 (talk) 09:43, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lewis Holtby[edit]

In the source provided [4] Holtby is quoted in saying "My father is English and of course my favourite teams are Everton and Arsenal." Does that say he supports them? I am not sure if it does or not. Govvy (talk) 23:36, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reading this near enough anyone could be a 'supporter' as long as they support the club and they need not attend games. Not sure having a team as your favourite team is supporting them though but it would be better than "In the fan's own home, unbridled and lengthy screaming, crying, acts of destruction to household objects" as quoted in the Fans article ! My view would be to remove anything which does not say xxx is a supporter of xxx --Egghead06 (talk) 09:33, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Harry Kane[edit]

I question the validity of him being on this list, the citation provided doesn't confirm from his own lips that he supports Arsenal. (TalkSport A picture is not the whole truth. Can you even confirm if that is Kane or not as a kid? The article is suspect in my opinion. Govvy (talk) 21:41, 8 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He acknowledged the picture and if it wasn't him, he had the opportunity to say so but he didn't, "Of course it was nice to score after that picture". He obviously likes Tottenham now but it's pretty clear that he once supported Arsenal having celebrated the league win at White Hart Lane in 2004. What's not clear is if or how much he still likes Arsenal. It's obviously a difficult subject for him to talk about as he plays for Tottenham. I think he should stay on the list until he clearly confirms that his support for Arsenal was something of the past. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.118.133.162 (talk) 17:26, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Shelly-Ann Fraser-Pryce[edit]

Declared Gooner, according to the Arsenal web site http://www.arsenal.com/news/features/20160907/-i-loved-thierry-henry- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.231.32 (talk) 15:25, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the celebrity supporter links are so tenuous[edit]

... and are really a stretch on the term 'supporter'. Jim Carrey, for example, appears in a video on Arsenal's youtube channel, with his co-star Jeff Daniels and clearly has very little knowledge of football, let alone Arsenal. At no point does he express any genuine affinity for the club. And he's just one example of the article's desperate attempt to claim celebrities as Arsenal fans. 86.0.106.175 (talk) 19:50, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I had a look at the citation for Jim Carrey and gone and removed him from the list. Govvy (talk) 20:39, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And many are only sourced to the tabloid press e.g. the Mail and the Mirror, I.e. not reliable sources.--Egghead06 (talk) 03:32, 11 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Recent vandalism[edit]

User Govvy appears to be vandalising this page. He/she has been removing names from the list of Arsenal supporters. Whilst there is merit in some of his/her removals, some seem to be quite aggressive. He/she removed George Saunders with no explanation (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arsenal_F.C._supporters&diff=746273756&oldid=746162148) and has removed other entries due to broken/invalid links when a quick internet search would have yielded a valid citation. I invited him/her to discuss Harry Kane on this page but my request was ignored. I raised my point of view here regarding Harry Kane and I am open to removal but I think it needs a proper discussion first. Govvy's page states that he/she is a Tottenham fan so I would think it's fair to say that he/she may not have the best interests of this Wikipedia entry at heart. 200.118.133.162 (talk) 22:16, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I never intended to remove George Saunders, someone else did that first of all, as for Harry Kane, it's just a picture, there is no evidence that Harry Kane said he supports Arsenal in the citation, citations should be clear and precise and the citation for him is not so I have removed it on that account. Govvy (talk) 22:46, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand how you can claim that someone else removed George Saunders when the edit is clearly tagged with your user ID. Please discuss Harry Kane in the relevant section of this page. 200.118.133.162 (talk) 02:03, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Govvy is a Tottenham Hotspur fan, should he be deciding edits on pages concerning Arsenal? By definition he is an Arsenal hater, or should be being tottenham; as all spurs fans should be, same as we Gooners hate spurs, it's natural and traditional, but being one or the other does not lend one to neutrality, I would rule myself out of editing any spurs page as I know nothing about them and do not want to. Treated very aggressively by Govvy for editing a page about the football team he should hate, and I love. Unfair. GoonerNut (talk) 18:15, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Qualifiers[edit]

Is there no qualifiers for what celeb should be included on the list? Govvy (talk) 20:46, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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mailonsunday citation (The Queen is a self-confessed Arsenal fan)[edit]

Mail on Sunday is basically the Daily Mail, the Royal Family members on the list, should these citations be removed per WP:DAILYMAIL? That would mean finding other sources or removing them from the list. The article The Queen is a self-confessed Arsenal fan, quotes The Sun as their source and as many people know The Sun can also be unreliable. Thoughts people? Govvy (talk) 11:25, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Liz is a Gooner. [5]--Egghead06 (talk) 13:25, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Then the citations should be switched and the Mail ones removed. Govvy (talk) 13:32, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well I went ahead and changed it around, there was no direct quote saying the Queen Mother is an Arsenal fan, from what I see, she was a fan of football in general. Govvy (talk) 12:19, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notable supporters[edit]

Should be removed per WP:LISTCRUFT, WP:TRIVIA and WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE. Consensus above was against its inclusion. Previous discussions at WikiProject Football have also reached this consensus (see here or here). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.244.56 (talk) 17:21, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, users stated in favour of retention for this pag33 as I would support that (though I did not make that clear granted). Again, I must state to IPs that LISTCRUFT is an essay, not a policy. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 18:58, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:TRIVIA and WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE are not essays. Consensus has consistently been that lists of celebrity fans are trivial and non-notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.244.56 (talk) 19:27, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I say remove as unencyclopedic trivia as argued above. Additionally:

  • No objective criteria is given for what counts as a fan. This is carte blanche to add anyone with the most tenuous connection to Arsenal.
  • It is mostly sourced to blogs, tabloids, fan sites and other unreliable sources like 'heaven sports', 'football geezer' 'sportskeeda' ' Bleacher Report' and so on. Even then, many of these links are just peddling unsubstantiated speculation. MaximumOccupancy (talk) 20:44, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The list already has consensus to be removed, and I believe consensus has been reached here as I too believe this list should be removed. I'm going to remove the list, acting upon said discussions; should anyone disagree, an rfc should be opened in another section below. Idiosincrático (talk) 02:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removing a 10 year+ article that has hundreds of additions on the basis of a seldom-looked at "talk" page is RIDICULOUS. Please analyse your decisions before erasing the hard work of more than 3,000 contributors & 800 references. If you would like to instead be constructive, and create this ""carte blanche of what identifies as a supporter"" yourself, and argue who may or may not be a supporter, then that is a far more appropriate way to proceed. Bkhd12 (talk) 04:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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