Talk:Ashford, Kent/Archive 1

Archive 1

[cp Swindon and Crewe]

In the Railways section what does [cp Swindon and Crewe] mean? I understand about the comparison with Swindon and Crewe but I've never heard of 'cp'. Is it a typo? Chris 18:05, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Could "cp" stand for "cum partibus", being "with the parties"? "e.g." or "like" would be easier to understand. Andy

Thanks, i've already changed it to 'like', "cum partibus" could translate to "as partner", so you could be right. Olive Oil 16:34, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

My more worldly wise, better half, has looked in a book and says "cp" is an abbreviation for 'compare'. Olive Oil 16:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:People from Ashford, Kent suggestion

There is a category [[Category:People from Ashford, Kent]]. Instead of the long list in the article, perhaps a link to here. Probably have to update the category in the peoples article too. Transfer the more notable list members to a mention within appropriate sections. The ones who attended school could be mentioned in Education, Musicians mentioned in Arts, Sportsmen in sport. This makes it easier to write prose and lose the frowned upon list. MortimerCat 22:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Germany Map

Is the map showing where Bad Münstereifel is located really necessary? I also noticed that the Bad Münstereifel article does not mention Ashford. MortimerCat 15:31, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it would be good to expand the sections relating to each of the twin towns, with details of the similarities and if/how the twinning works, however i think

• the map fills the understanding of where in Germany they are,
• the Bad Münstereifel article does not mention very much at all, never mind Ashford

is there a better option? perhaps this should be added to the task list on Wikipedia:WikiProject Kent/Article improvement#Ashford, Kent

- Olive Oil -_ŢάĽɮ - 19:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree, expand the twinning section but I still think the map is superfluous. If I really wanted to know where they are in Germany, I would click the link. Secondly, you would need two more maps (France and America) to be consistent. The link to the foreign language article seems a bit strange too. The English version Bad Münstereifel now mentions Ashford. MortimerCat 20:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Judith and Fergus Wilson

I'm surprised there is no mention of the Wilsons anywhere in Wikipedia - I would have expected a seperate article about them. They are well known - or famous - for owing 700 houses in Ashford, making an approx £200m fortune. Theyve had more than one tv program about them. See for example http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=judith+wilson+ashford&btnG=Search&meta=cr%3DcountryUK%7CcountryGB I had been puzzled for some time by how they could keep buying houses without running out of money for the 15% deposit, but the most recent tv programme I saw about them says they bought houses 'off-plan' in a rising market, so their 15% equity was covered by the rise in price between them agreeing to buy it and needing to pay for it. I've also read they bought property cheap and in bulk from a distressed developer. 80.0.127.234 12:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

If you'd like an article on them created, please go to WP:RA and request it. Alternatively, create an account and you can do it yourself. Just make sure that the proposed article complies with WP:N and WP:BLP first. Waggers 14:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Rewrite of article

This article had a great many things wrong with it. It should be borne in mind that this is about the town of Ashford, and not the borough. In that case the text should strictly adhere to its parameters. It does not do this - an example being the inclusion of a school (Swadelands) many miles outside the town. Local tourist attractions and some of the long distance footpaths are also more tourist based - not for an encyclopaedia article - and many of the former are miles from the town itself. That should answer the previous comment, since I have deleted them all ...?

The article was set out in an entirely illogical order: eg the future of the town appeared before what it is like now! I have now included many disparate pieces under Geography and added a piece about the town site. The section is now greatly expanded. It did not seem necessary to go through all the "famous people" again, since there is a list doing that elsewhere, although I am unsure of the need for the article List of people from Ashford, Kent nor the Category:People from Ashford, Kent, when there aren’t a similar ones for the other towns? We must be consistent, surely? I have only included a note about the secondary schools; again there is a separate article listing all schools, not followed elsewhere - cp Maidstone. Peter Shearan (talk) 06:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I removed the Twin towns section as all the info cntained was duplicated in the Culture section immediately below it. Mjroots (talk) 15:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I've added a sentence about Ashford during World War II. Wilfred81 (talk) 02:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Recycle

I have removed the "Recycle" section as it seemed to exist only to advertise the author's own website. It was not encyclopaedic and was only of interest to the author and his/her own "very few members". It contained no information of interest. Kent6 (talk) 13:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Page vandalism

Asshatisforde = Eshetisford with Eshet replaced by a six letter word that Wiki filters out and will not let me post. The first six letters of Asshatisforde is a rude internet term. The only place that 'Asshatisforde' appears on the internet is this Wiki page, and all the hundreds of pages that source their content from it; so it's not likely to be true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.96.21.64 (talk) 16:26, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Ray Dorset of Mungo Jerry

The Wikipedia entry for Ashford in Kent says Ray Dorset was born in the town. But the entry for Ray Dorset himself says he was born in Middlesex. Most people are usually born in only one town. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.84.114 (talk) 02:56, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

He was born in Ashford, Middlesex (now Ashford, Surrey) and this allowed him to be local to the Crawdaddy Club in Richmond where he met The Rolling Stones and started his career. Nothing to do with this Ashford. I can't believe it's been sitting in the article for so long! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:39, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ashford, Kent/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Droodkin (talk · contribs) 22:11, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I will get started with reading this article and hopefully assessing it appropriately within the coming days. I'll leave the template here till then. --Droodkin (talk) 22:11, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Having read up to the Geography section, the article is looking promising. --Droodkin (talk) 21:42, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Finished reading the article, here is my assessment. --Droodkin (talk) 09:54, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	Standard style of sections are present.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Individual pages are cited, which is always a good thing.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Remarkably well-referenced. Though citations to books are present, access to the books is not available so I assume good faith in their accuracy. Web links and all are appropriate.
	2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	All good here.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	Seems to be all good here.
	7. Overall assessment.	Overall, this article covers all the necessary material one would expect when searching about Ashford. It is well-referenced and complemented with adequate images. Therefore, it passes. Congratulations.

Thanks for a quick review. I have to say I am a little surprised that you found no issues, which I don't think I've ever seen in a GA review, even with the very best writers there are always more than one way to write something, or possibly alternative sources. That said, Dr. Blofeld has looked over the article already and done quite a bit of copyediting, and I'm confident that what Steve Salter doesn't know about Ashford isn't worth knowing about. Thanks again! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:48, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Let me give it a full read a bit later and I'll let you know if I see anything. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Cheers, Blofeld. Just because I thought it met the GA criteria when I created the nomination, the encyclopedia should not take my word as gospel! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:17, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Comments

I didn't really get much chance to look at it, I was only getting started and when I looked in a day or two later it was already at GAN! Not to gatecrash the review (which has passed), but some things to further improve:

Lede

*I think before you get to etymology you should state the vitals like distance from one or more nearby major towns, e.g 23 miles south of London and 4.5 miles northwest of Blofville and then state the population, even though it is in the info box. Then go into that. I'll find the distances (now done), can you add the population?

Done, though I'm never really comfortable on distances as they seem to be wrong more often than not. For example, we now have Ashford as being 13 miles from Maidstone - fair enough, it's sourced, but this signpost on the M20, well east of Maidstone says "Ashford 16". Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:07, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

*"and its agricultural market is one of the most significant in the country." -What do you mean exactly by significant, size/income/popularity?

I think the "significant" bit here is just the fact that one still exists, full stop. Reworded. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:07, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

*A lot of repetition of significant, significant market, significant place, significant local landmark.. I think we gather that the church is notable as we're mentioning it so it isn't needed. You could change "The town has been marked as a significant place for expansion since the 1960s and appeared on several Government plans for growth. " to "The town has been subject to a government development plan for growth since the 1960s" or something.

I've removed most of the "significant", "prominent", "important" words. I think I was just trying to self-justify what facts in the body deserved to go in the lead.

*"a controversial Ringway scheme and construction of the multi storey Charter House building " definite article needed, the controversial Ringway scheme.

I'm not sure that Ringway was its official name, though it appears as such in local history books. I've gone with "a controversial ring road scheme", which uses a common name (most towns have some sort of inner ring road in them these days). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:07, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

History

*Capitalise iron age.

Done Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:07, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

*1500BC -add a space between 0 and BC

Done, though I'll point out that One Million Years B.C., the first thing that came to mind when thinking of pre AD 0 naming conventions, doesn't do this. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:07, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

*Link Weald in first instance. Delink in geography.

Done. First wikilinks are probably the hardest thing to spot and get right, because they can change completely during copyediting. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:07, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• "Archaeological studies have revealed" -do we know anything about when or the nature of the studies?

If I recall correctly, the source says that verbatim, but I will have look for others. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:07, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• "By the 1780s, local farmers had begun to hold informal market days, and advertised the town's ideal location between London, Chatham and the Kent Coast.[11] The market was held in the High Street until 1856 when local farmers and businessmen relocated to Elwick Road and formed a market company that is the oldest surviving registered company in England and Wales.[12] There is still a regular street market in the town, although the market company has had to be relocated outside of the town due to part of the 19th century site being demolished to make way for the Channel Tunnel Rail Link. It is still used by around 5,000 farmers" -Mmm, this seems problematic in a section named "Middle Ages" which is largely modern history and economy. I'd rather you moved this further down to an appropriate section and continue with pottery in 13th century after mentioning the charter. -Don't worry, I've sorted this.
• "Parts of the St Mary's parish church date from the 13th century, including a brass of the first rector, Robert de Derby.[10] John Fogge supervised substantial changes to the church in the late 15th century, including creating the 120 feet (37 m) tower and raising the roof.[12][13] He was buried in the church and a memorial window is dedicated to him." -My feeling is that this mostly doesn't belong in the history section but in a section named "Landmarks ===St Mary's Church, which should really be there with any others worth mentioning. Have a look in Listed buildings in Ashford, Kent and search for some further info on some of the listed buildings in the town which should all have articles on the listed buildings site. Obviously some are worth mentioning more than others but for a town I think you need a decent summary of landmarks. I'd also like to know more about the Repton Manor House there and other interesting buildings.
• "In William Shakespeare's Henry VI, part 2, Cade is shown conversing with "Dick, the Butcher from Ashford". Dick looks forward to removing officialdom after the rebeliion, saying "first thing, let's kill all the lawyers."[17]" Really doesn't belong in the town's history, should be put in a footnote. Also is the wrong spelling of rebellion intentional?
• "The Army first established a presence in Ashford in 1797 when it built a garrison on Barrow Hill, and storerooms along what is now Magazine Road.[22] The military presence was scaled back during the 19th century, though the town was still considered strategically important in the event of an invasion.[23] The Territorial Army -link army in first instance and remove in second.

The TA is not the same as the regularly army, so linking would not be appropriate. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:25, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

*" The town was targeted again during the Battle of Britain in World War II.[26] The Joint Services School of Intelligence was based at Templar Barracks in Ashford, until the barracks were decommissioned in 1997 and then demolished to make way for High Speed 1.[" - What was the date, year even of the invasiona, do we have dates when it was bombed? Also a paragraph break badly needed with Joint Services...

I've found a specific date and added it. I've done the paragraph break for now, though per the other comments there'll be more in this area later. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:25, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• "though Repton Manor House remains as it is a Grade II listed buildling" ="though the Grade II listed Repton Manor House remains intact".
• Printing and food industry (in detail) really belongs in the economy section.
• The paragraph which begins "Food production has been an important industry in Ashford" is really quite convoluted and difficult to read, especially in a history section which should really be outlining general history rather than going into detail on local industry.
• Then you go into architecture with discussion of timber and flat conversion which should really go in a Landmarks/architecture section. I think you really need to go through the history section and strip it down to an outline and move a lot of content into more appropriate sections further down.

Geography

• " in common with most such towns" -  :-) -Don't worry, I've changed it.

"In common with most towns, Ashford has some shops, some schools, and some chavs." ;-) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:25, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• Now the earthquake mentioning for me belongs in history rather that geography!

*(from May to September)day ??

No idea. The source just says "summer days" which could be anything from about 28 March - 28 October, or as little as 21 June - 31 August depending on who's opinion you ask. Removed. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:25, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Economy

*"private funded " =privately funded?

Changed. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:25, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• Overall I think this section would benefit from much of the material in the lower history section and copyedited and restructured to flow better.

Culture

OVERLINK of First World War and inconsistent with earlier World War I. Doesn't MoS advise against linking it anyway?

MOS:OVERLINK just says "everyday words understood by most readers in context". I'm not sure that's the case here. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:25, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• This section too I think should be renamed "Landmarks" and benefit from some of the material in the history section (on the church mainly). Motto might fit better somewhere in the history section.

Education

• Seems a bit jumbled. I think you should state how many school of each first and then go into grammar, secondary and then primary in turn.

Do you mean just move the sentence counting the schools up front? I wanted to put Norton Knatchbull first because it is the most notable school with the biggest coverage in sources, and hence should be up front as it's what readers would more likely be looking for. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:53, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Sport

*"local athlete Julie Rose" - is she worth linking? Do we know if she was a hurdler, a javelin thrower, a runner or what?

Done. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:53, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

*"Ashford Hockey Club is based at Ball Lane, Kennington and were formed in 1898." -was formed

Done. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

*Football seems more appropriate to discuss first than the others. I think you could remove the subsection and move it to the top, then cover athletics and hockey. Also correct link to Ashford United F.C. and merge/move "The club's grounds are at The Homelands, about 4 miles (6.4 km) south of the town centre." further to the top after mentioning to club. Something like Ashford United Football Club, based at The Homelands, about 4 miles (6.4 km) south of the town centre, was formed in 1891 as Ashford United."

Done. Also has the nice advantage of making the image formatted better. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Transport

*Delink Maidstone

Done. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• I think this section is too detailed if anything and could be condensed and copyedited to improve flow and focus.

Health

*"replacing an smaller" = replacing a smaller

Done Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

*"The hospital is currently unused, after plans to redevelop it into a local health unit in 2012 were cancelled." - try "The hospital is currently unused, since plans to redevelop it into a local health unit in 2012 were cancelled."

I've rewritten this. I took a picture of the hospital last week and all the windows were boarded up and the gates locked, so who knows what's happening to it now. I've also added an entry on the sanatorium, which will expand when I move the information in Simone Wiel into it (see below) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

*"named after the doctor who discovered the blood circulatory system." link/name him.

Done. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• Can you try to cluster some of the sources in the lower section as the sourcing looks a bit excessive which affects my reading?

Media

• "Ashford has had several newspapers, some of which are still in production."- tense here is conflicting and you really use circulation rather than production when referring to them I think. Try "

Ashford currently has three local newspapers in circulation: the Kentish Express, published by the KM Group; yourashford, published by KOS Media; and the Ashford Herald, which has been published by Kent Regional News and Media since July 2009." Then mention what is defunct.

Notable people

Excessive. I don't want to read about all that. Just a name link, B + D dates and profession will do, at the very most one description of why they were notable. Bullet it too.

I really can't agree with bulleting stuff. That's what List of people from Ashford, Kent is for. The entries here are for people who have a prominent and significant contribution to the town, although you might want to have a look at the article before I started improving it to GA status - far more stuff has been removed than retained. As it currently stands, I would make a strong argument for keeping John Wallis, John Furley, Simone Weil and Arthur Charles Evans, as each one has a significant and prominent association with Ashford, as opposed to merely being born or living there. Even Malcolm Sargent has a road named after him, even though he himself said his relationship with Ashford was tenuous at best. What we could do, however, is move each entry to another section. John Furley and Simone Weil can move to "Health" (after it expands to include the history of the TB sanatorium), John Wallis can go in Education. That would make the "notable people" section redundant. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Twin

"The association between Ashford and Bad Münstereifel originates from the British occupation of the town in 1919 under the command of Major J Goode, following the end of World War I. John Wiles, brother in law of Major Goode, later became mayor of New Romney in 1946, and subsequently arranged a visit to the Rhineland with Winston Churchill. Wiles was declared an honorary citizen of Bad Münstereifel in 1961, which led to the formal twinning.[169]" Seems a bit trivial and looks odd under the list. Perhaps place it in a footnote where it says "twinned"?

Done. The idea here was to stop this section just being a bland list and to give a bit more information to the relationship with Bad Münstereifel. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

See also section won't be needed if you create a Landmarks one and link there and a further|Listed buildings at top of section.

Sourcing

*Add publisher to ref 155

Done Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Looks generally good but I have no idea why you use "Sustrans.org" when you have google. Is it more convenient or something?

AFAIK, Sustrans is the offical website of cycling routes. By "google, do you mean mean searching for a better site, or using Google Maps? In the case of the latter, experience has shown me that Google is a terrible source for cycle and foot paths, which are inaccurate or missing. OpenStreetMap is much better for this. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Overall my feeling is that this needs a pretty major reshuffle still and then a copyedit to ensure that it flows well. There's a lot of material which seems in the wrong place, short sentences, and those which seem jumbled around each other. I have a feeling that the real cause of this from the early editors who worked on it who created problems which weren't fully sorted out during your redevelopment of it Rich. Still needs a lot of work to really be of GA quality IMO, but knowing your abilities, I'm sure it won't be long before it is looking better. Once you've done what you can I'll look at it and see if anything still needs sorting and then it would be good if Eric or somebody could give it a polish. Hope my points help you.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, what you've written here looks far more like I'd expect a GA review of an article of this size with this many references to look like. I'm a bit short of time, but for now I'm going to undo the pass on this and put it back on review. And I don't see any harm in dragging @Eric Corbett: in here to get his opinion on stuff. I am strongly of the opinion that GAs should be earned and here is a great opportunity to put my money where my mouth is. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I think so too. I mean, some articles though you can genuinely find little to complain about, and I don't see the point of being picky for the sake of it, but GAN is supposed to eradicate a lot of issues and genuinely bring about improvement and send it on its way towards development to FA, and you'll find that most articles, even those by greats like Brian or Tim you'll find a lot of things they missed. I think I can help set this on its way this week, but I have a few reviews and that to do right now and aren't all that active on here right now.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:52, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I've gone through the "easy" stuff. The next thing to do is take all the comments about layout and structure, and figure out what goes where. I'll get back to you on that! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:25, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Schools

There seems to be a small content dispute about what schools we should include in the article. My thoughts are that we should simply list all schools that can be confirmed in reliable sources (in this case the local council documentation) as being within Ashford town itself. I realise the town has got bigger and bigger particularly since the late 1960s, but I think listing Aldington Primary School as a school in Ashford is nevertheless pushing things a bit. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:20, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Recent edits

i've semi-protected the article due to what amounts to a content dispute. We are now at the D part of WP:BRD. Semi-protection will force that. This id a Good Article, let's keep it that way. Mjroots (talk) 06:15, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if the WeatherEditor socks' edits are correct, perhaps they are, perhaps they're not. I'll have to pick through the Met Office sources and find out. The principal problem I have is, as you've just hinted, they're not discussing changes particularly well, making it difficult to know their intent. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:38, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: I don't know either, but the burden is that proof must be provided if challenged, which it has been. Let's see whether or not the IP will talk. Mjroots (talk) 10:47, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Right, I've had a look, and I see two problems. Firstly, the Met Office source is for Faversham, not Ashford, which makes perfect sense as that's where the nearest station is held, though I know from first hand experience with the North Downs that it's not at all unusual to have a thunderstorm in one and clear skies in the other. The bigger problem is that the source does not support the figures in the table. For example, for January, the average rainfall is given as 62.2mm, whereas the table states it as 71.4mm. The maximum average temperature for July is given as 22.8 degrees Celsius, but 21.8 degrees in the table. So in summary, the information that Weathereditor / Telegraph13 or whatever sockpuppet he's using today is factually incorrect and should not be used. Furthermore, the only reason we've having all these sockpuppet investigations is that, as Mjroots suggested, he's not discussing anything! Talk is cheap - and avoids upsets. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:27, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

I do not think that a settlement should have a weather box referenced to a weather station outside the area concerned, rather weather boxes should only be used if the weather station is inside the area covered by the article. Hence countries and regions could justifiably have one, but not villages nor many towns. The one in the article should be removed, perhaps leaving a link to a page which justifiably includes one. Faversham, Kent or even southeast England might do better as an area to have a weather box for climate. SovalValtos (talk) 15:58, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

I've gone through all the climate stuff and taken out everything that does not directly cite a weather event that is specifically for Ashford. I don't think the article loses any of the "broad in coverage" part of the GA criteria for it either. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:25, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree. Consensus is that the weather station at Faversham is not to be used to provide weather data for Ashford. I've got the article (but not this talk page) on my patent watchlist system. I'm prepared to semi-protect it permantly, and have inserted the key to my banhammer into the lock. It'll just take a quarter turn to the right and the banhammer will be out. Mjroots (talk) 19:49, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

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Clearly it's Mad March so the council have shoved some cash to make the County Square website to be updated. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:09, 31 March 2016 (UTC)