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Comments[edit]

Just a question,.. Why does this article state "... should be noted that the English sides were more weakened by the effects of the Second World War than the Australian side...?" WWII affected Australia just as much as it did the Old Enemy. Surely it can't be a simple equation of "...we lost X of our Test cricketers in the War and you lost X-1..."

I think this sentence should be removed. I'd welcome any comments???

Mark5677 13:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is a tad vague, England had played 13 post-War Tests prior to the 1948 series, so it wasn't as if it was the next day or anything. Though Jack Pollard puts it this way: "This was an England recovering from a savage war in which food and clothing rationing prevailed, luxuries were short, and steaks a rarity, while many of the grounds visited by the Australians still bore traces of wartime bombimg raids" --Paul 19:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of points:

  • 1. I like the squad box. I think the manager should be retained. Being tour manager was quite a prestigious position. I would remove the numbering of the players, though. Otherwise people are liable to think that the numbers are significant in some way, even - horrors - that they wore them on their shirts!
  • 2. I'd delete "Main article: 1948 Ashes series". Surely this is the main article, and there is no requirement for another one.

JH (talk page) 17:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've now expanded the section on the Tests by cannibalising what I originally wrote for 1948 English cricket season. JH (talk page) 21:07, 19 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dates[edit]

Not really important but I notice that all dates in this article are in the American month before day format (e.g., July 15, 1948). Is this format normally used in Australia or is it the standard British format of day before month (e.g., 15 July 1948)? If Australia uses the latter, and given that 90% of the action takes place in England, it would be correct to alter all dates to the British style. --Jack | talk page 06:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In my experience, both are used in Australia, although it is always "15/7/1948" in short form. However, for the purposes of Wikipedia, Australian articles almost always use "15 June 1948". -- Mattinbgn\talk 06:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
== Query ==

Outbound on Strathaird. Anyone know on which boat they returned to Australia? Historygypsy (talk) 00:41, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Australian cricket team in England in 1948[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Australian cricket team in England in 1948's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "fc":

  • From Ray Lindwall with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948: "Batting and bowling averages Australia tour of England, Apr-September 1948 - First-class matches". Cricinfo. Retrieved 2008-12-10.
  • From Ron Hamence with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948: "Batting and bowling averages Australia tour of England, April-September 1948 - First-class matches". Cricinfo. Retrieved 2008-12-10.
  • From Sam Loxton with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948: "Batting and bowling averages Australia tour of England, Apr-Sep 1948 - First-class matches". Cricinfo. Retrieved 2008-12-10.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 07:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Australian cricket team in England in 1948/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Fifelfoo (talk) 04:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quick-fails: Passes. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:48, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

on the basis of the discussion below, and the resolution of raised points, all items in a GA review are PASSED, and I am GAing this. Hooray Fifelfoo (talk) 00:28, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Basis. The article meets the criteria as listed. The primary changes were required in relation to the quality of the language, and all noted items were actioned. Pictures were resolved to meet US PD requirements ( frowny face at copyright law ). Fifelfoo (talk) 00:40, 4 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GAC[edit]

Editors may wish to be alerted to the fact that the GAC Prose review is now finished, as are all the other sections.

WP:GAC

  1. Well-written
    Passed00:29, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
    a prose
    Passed all below adequately resolved. 00:29, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
    Lede good, especially on the significance of the tour.
    I find the link names to the touring pages a bit confusing here Donald Bradman (captain) (information). (on tour)? (tour biography)?
    Dense and confusing sentence, "Leading paceman Lindwall had been playing with an injured leg tendon and his foot drag during the delivery stride led to speculation as to its legality."
    "Leading paceman Lindwall had been playing with an injured leg tendon. There was speculation regarding the legality of his deliveries due to the drag of his foot during his delivery stride."?
    Simpler verb, bad while, too many clauses. (Bradman continuously advised him? Only worked on during Bradman's advice). "The injury was worked upon ahead of the tour, while Bradman advised Lindwall to ensure that his foot was further behind the line than usual to avoid being no-balled, and to refrain from bowling at full speed until the umpires were satisfied."
    "The injury was worked on ahead of the tour. Bradman advised Lindwall to...satisfied."
    This, perhaps, is incredible enough to go up to the lede, or was this common practice in international matches then? "with 112 days of scheduled cricket in the space of 144 days," Cricket 6 days a week.
    Bad compound verb, makes unclear what happened, "Miller deliberated allowed himself to be bowled first ball for a duck in a protest against Australia's world record of 721 runs in one day against Essex.
    Miller deliberated allowing himself to be bowled...
    Miller deliberately allowed himself to be bowled...
done YellowMonkey

I still think it is noteworthy that they only time that the 1948 Australians were bowled out in a day was when they made a record 721. I have added "Ironically, it was the only time they were dismissed in a single day on the entire tour." I shall see if I can find a verbatum account which reads better, Certainly Trevor Bailey used to catch people out with it. --Philipjelley (talk) 20:02, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Bad verb clauses? "Bradman used the pair operated in short and fiery bursts with the new ball."
    "Bradman operated the pair in short and firey bursts with the new ball."
    "Bradman used the pair in short and firey bursts with the new ball."
    A bit concerned about how a new ball can be used in a burst, the idea of the man handling the ball seems lost, and the burst takes on the man's role. Can't think of similarly evocative text though.
    If Johnston is going to later reward Bradman, he needs an early active verb or his name restated, "Johnston was played in the hope of exploiting a wet wicket and amply rewarded Bradman."
    Johnston played in hope of exploiting a wet wicket, and Johnston amply rewarded Bradman for this selection.
    Johnston was played in the hope of exploiting a wet wicket and Johnston amply rewarded Bradman.
    Mid sentence tense change, "England were bowled out for 186 to cede a 409-run victory."
    England were bowled out for 186, ceding a 409-run victory.
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. I'm breaking text reading there for a bit. The Ashes Tests are very dense, technical writing, which recreate the match in my mind. Perhaps this isn't the best way forward for summary style of the matches. Perhaps it is (Please comment). I felt exhausted after reading / recreating the First Test in my mind, and the Second Test just knackered me.
    Style: Aren't sixes also technically boundaries? Its the first thing that stuck which I read at Boundary actually...
    Not a word: "aftereffects", try after effects?\
    Carefully consider the use of the en_GB (and relatives) plural verbs, "and Australia were bowled out for 221" it might confuse Americans. (Yes, I know I'm saying this about technical cricket writing within a Cricket article).
    I don't understand this animosity, it hasn't been presented before in this article, "Lindwall['s bowling brought] his tormentor Edrich to the crease."
explained YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Poor expression, "The home had lost" ; try "The home team had lost" ?
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Missing article, "and give themselves an opportunity to win by taking substantial lead." ; try "and give themselves an opportunity to win by taking a substantial lead."
    "Miller was dismissed by Yardley for 58 attempting another six," ; try "Miller was dismissed by Yardley for 58 while attempting another six,"
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Poor verb choice "likened by Wisden to a "hurricane"." change likened?
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Better expression required, "The innings and the high rate of scoring helped to swing the match back from England's firm control." The high rate of scoring during the innings freed the match from England's firm grip"??
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Nice metaphor, produces a bad image, "Loxton was particularly severe on Laker, lifting him into the crowd for five sixes in addition to nine fours." I tried "lifting his bowling" but the bowling is the entire action, "lifting deliveries from Laker". ??
    Too many terse clauses, break up "Lindwall hit out, scoring 77, an innings marked by powerful driving and pulling,[92] dominating in stands of 48 and 55 with Johnston and Toshack respectively."
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Verb too evocative and unexplained, "before Lindwall trapped Edrich for 54" trapped Edrich lbw? trapped into a run-out? "Trapped" is probably unnecessary cricket jargon.
    Mind explaining what an irregular wicket is? "England lost regular wickets "
redone to explicit say they lost wickets at regularly intervals YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Again. Reading the Fourth Test leaves me feeling exhausted. Its like there's too much being crammed into too little space. I'm sure the actual Test narratives are easier reads. Maybe the summary style needs to focus on the turning points of the tests, instead of being a universal (if terse) narrative of the test? The fact that I'm not going to read the Fifth Test immediately means that there's something going on with the writing: I'm finding the writing engaging but difficult.
    "England played two spinners; Young replaced fellow finger spinner Laker, while the leg spin of Hollies replaced Pollard." Split into two sentences? "England played two spinners. Young replaced fellow finger spinner Laker, while the leg spin of Hollies replaced Pollard.
redone YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Obvious rhythm "Precipitation in the week leading up to the match meant that" Break the rhythm in the text. "Rain during the week meant that" ?
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Implies to me that the England innings was 23 balls, not the batsman's "Miller then removed Crapp without scoring after a 23-ball innings"
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Bad verb, one can compile a text, or music tracks, or code, but not a stand, "The opening stand had been compiled in only 126 minutes."
    After consistently using England and Australia, we jump to Englishmen? "Yardley led the Englishmen in giving his Australian counterpart three cheers." Yardley led the England team in...
    Bad verb "top-scored" "having top-scored in both innings to leave England at 153/4." Can we change this one? Made a top score, Achieved a top score?
    Dubious hypenation, not sure myself? second-wicket ?
    First comma is unnecessary, but the sentence is run on writing and needs to be broken up, "In their sole innings Australia, took the initiative early through a 166-run second wicket stand between Morris (138) and Bradman (107), which took them to 265/1, before they declared at 462/8 after Miller had hit an unbeaten 50 in faster than even time."
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. In later titles, "At Worcester, April 28, 29, 30. Worcestershire (233 and 212) lost to the Australians (462/8 declared) by an innings and 17 runs." I thought we weren't calling them Australians, but Australia?
    Badly phrased, "He ended on 202 not out of Australia's 448." His contribution to Australia's 448 was 202 not out. ?
    Verb improve? "and the hosts inhibited themselves with two run outs."
Reworded YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Doubled noun, one of which is the subject of the sentence, "wet conditions that suited spin bowlers in extremely cold, cloudy and blustery conditions." Generally confused about the subject
Reworded YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Decimal points in over counts, rather confusing? "Together the pair bowled almost unchanged, delivering 49.3 of 54.3 overs."
    Actually suddenly the narrative starts discussing overs in terms of decimal points. Consistent style on this?
    Generally, try unpacking cricket jargon just a little bit with more cues for non-Cricketing Nations, "Australia were set 60 for victory," "Australia were set a target of 60 runs for victory,"
    This wiki link does not adequately describe pitch rolling imho "elected to not have the pitch rolled."
    Run on sentence, clause break after the first score required, "After Bradman departed at 403/3 wickets began to fall more regularly, but Hassett held up his end and made 110, while Tallon remained unbeaten on 50."
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. As an every day non cricket loving Australian this jargon phrase is beyond me, "carried his bat" do you mean, "carried his bat off the oval"?
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Word check, is this a real one, "inroads" or is it "in roads"
Inroads is pretty normal YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Bad compound noun? Jargon "innings win" "to complete an innings win."
    The minor matches read beautifully, I wish I could hold the Ashes matches as easily in mind as the evocative summaries of the minors.
    Jargon score, do you mean "not out"? "Saggers (104*)"
    They who? Vigar and Brown, Vigar and Bradman, Bradman and Brown? "They were parted when Brown fell at 364/2 "
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. The other end of what? The match? The pitch? "something that angered Bradman at the other end."
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Partnership for the next wicket? Perhaps until the next wicket? "However, a partnership of 133 between Tom Pearce and Peter Smith for the next wicket "
done a change YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Respectability is all or nothing, "salvaged some respectability"
    Surely "gaining the ascendancy", they're the first team batting. "Australia batted first. After the loss of Morris early, Barnes (81) and Bradman (98) set about regaining the ascendancy "
    After the pair's departure is parenthetical, so dash it? "Despite a collapse of 5/54 to end the innings after the pair's departure, Australia reached 552." ie "the innings—after the pair's departure—Australia"
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Another parenthesis, this time requiring commas instead of dashes "England's leading batsmen, Hutton and Compton, before the Tests."
done, actually I dashed them at the start and end. Easier YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Who? "Some English observers decried Toshack's leg stump "
The reference just spoke of it as a general feeling among them YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Unclear pronouns. Break the sentence, use more names. "Bradman made 43, but when Hilton came on, he attempted to hit him out of the attack, perhaps perturbed by earlier events."
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Not much of a reply, its a response, but lets go for an even more negative verb here? "In reply, Australia collapsed from 2/70 and made only 117." Failing to respond, ... ?
Tweaked. Howzat YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Wow, what a great one line summary of a match, maybe we could look for others for other matches? "Lindwall won the match for the Australians with his bowling, taking 11/59."
    Unclear pronoun, "Hamence opened the batting for Australia because Brown injured a finger while fielding, but he was out for a duck."
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. The stands metaphor here sounds like an actual physical stand to non-cricketing me, "and he featured in century stands with Barnes, Miller and Harvey." Partnerships?
    There's a shift in scores throughout between Name 87 and Name (87). Pick one?
    Pronoun too far from name, "Loxton's aggressive attack gave him figures of 0/186 " The him was three names ago.
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Missing space, "in which Jack Crapp made 100 not out,while Johnson"
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. This is two sentences slammed together that need to be untangled, "Denis Compton hit a restrained 62 which enabled Middlesex lost wickets regularly to fall from 1/78 to 203 all out, with five bowlers sharing the wickets, Johnston and Loxton taking three apiece."
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. "v Middlesex" in general has too many clauses, and multiple slammed together sentences, ie "and Jim Sims took 6/65 a the Australians collapsed "
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Unencyclopedic tone and judgement "much" : "and Leslie Compton delaying matters much, while eight managed only single figures."
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Previous mentioned match doesn't mention five bowlers, "Again five bowlers shared the wickets,"
removed again YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Run on sentence, "Three other batsmen reached 30, but most of the Australians were uncomfortable against the leg-spin and googlies of Eric Hollies, who opened the bowling and whose 8/107 were the best innings analysis against the Australians on the whole tour and earned him a call-up for the fifth and final Test."
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Delete the who and comma. Incomplete fixing of a run on sentence, "Lindwall, who promptly removed Ikin short of his century."
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. The parenthetical reference to his later career is distracting and irrelevant here, "McCool, later in his career to return as a Somerset player, took 4/21 and 4/23,"
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Run on sentence, "The tourists elected to bat and after losing the openers early, Hassett top scored with 151, his third consecutive century, and centuries also for Bradman (143) and Harvey (110) enabled the Australians to declare."
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Awkward, "The match against Scotland was a two-day fixture that was not as first-class." Try "The match against Scotland was a two-day, not first-class, fixture."
done changed YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Roll their arm over is jargon "Bradman allowed his non-regular bowlers to roll their arm over,"
  1. b mos
    passed
    Noted redlink incorrect RC Robertson-Glasgow said, RC Robertson-Glasgow probably exists, I saw his name when checking dabs. 07:59, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
done fixed YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. MOS & fiddle: Short cites ending with full-stops?
    MOS: Titles unnecessarily in Capital letters? (ENGLAND v AUSTRALIA)
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Badlink "Washbrook refrained from the hook shot," hook host => Batting (cricket)#Types of batting_shots try instead Batting (cricket)#Pull and hook
    Bad line break at "Yardley for 58 attempting another six,[89]" right here "but the partnership"
    "Australia reached tea " Tea in tests has a very specific time meaning, care to wikilink?
    Potential wikilink? reflex catch
    Spell out the number "No. 3, "
    Not all grounds in the later part are linked, it looks a bit unstylish?
    Is this MOS for names containing junior? "Joe Hardstaff junior"
    Surely this is late in the article to wikilink over? "Lindwall, conceded less than a run per over."
done earier and rm this late doubling YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Watch the capitalisation of titles in your short citations, ie: "Australian Cricket: The game and the players." capitalising "the" after a colon in a title is a little bit unusual. There should be MOS on this. Similarly, "England v Australia: A compendium of Test cricket between the countries " the "A"
    Bad link, its to an American not involved in cricket, "Paceman Keith Jackson took 5/76 for the hosts."
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Given the MOS for cricket teams, the wiki links (but not the display name) for "Scotland national cricket team" are incorrect, they're at Scottish at the moment.\
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Wrong William Laidlaw is linked.
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Factually accurate and verifiable
    Please check this quote, "him... the county batsmen diddle and diddle [" Diddle and daddle is more common.
I copied it correctly YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. a refs by layout
    Refs are good.
    ""Sporting greats - Australia reveres and treasures its sporting heroes.". Government of Australia." Government of Australia doesn't exist. Department exists. The Australian Government exists (but is referred to as the Commonwealth of Australia).
    Not a website, a transcript of a radio show, cite correctly, "^ "Panel selects cricket team of the century". Australian Broadcasting Corporation. 2000-01-18. Retrieved 2007-06-06." Mark Simpson, "Panel selects cricket team of the century". PM. Radio National / ABC Local Radio. Australian Broadcasting Corporation. 2000-01-18.
    Cricketarchive inconsistently cited. Sometimes given in Roman Typeface sometimes in Italics. (fn 21, 22 for example)
done I only saw the one you expliticly mentioned YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. The Age is incorrectly cited, not treated as the relevant publication and italicised, "Stephens, Tony (2003-01-18)."
done YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Short citations of Wisden courtesy linked through cricinfo lack the indication that the publication is Wisden Cricketer's Almanack (though has the publisher as Wisden) ( "Players and Officials - Ernie Toshack". Wisden. Retrieved 2007-05-23. )
    Lacks an author (corporate authored?) date mispositioned in terms of the style you're using "Barclay's World of Cricket. Collins Publishers. 1980. p. 641."
    Short citations of "Cashman, Franks, Maxwell, Sainsbury, Stoddart, Weaver, Webster (1997). The A–Z of Australian cricketers. " are incorrect. Cashman et.al.?
    Title needs to be correctly spaced, "Inside story:unlocking"
    When did Andre Deutsch start publishing Penguin histories? "The Penguin History of Australian Cricket. Andre Deutsch."
    Generally publication locations are missing.
    "Cashman, Franks, Maxwell, Sainsbury, Stoddart, Weaver, Webster (1997). The A–Z of Australian cricketers. ISBN 0-9756746-1-7." needs a publisher as well as a location
  1. b inline where relevant
    Passes 21:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
    The inline links are appropriate per point.
  1. c no OR
    Passes 21:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  2. Broad in coverage
    a main topics
    Passes coverage is appropriately chosen and weighted. 02:32, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
    b summary style
    Worried about the decision to extensively narrate the Ashes Tests. Would like discussion.
  1. Neutral
    Appropriate criticism, and reception from UK cricketers, used. The article certainly isn't a whitewash.
    Passes 21:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
  2. Stable
    Passes. 04:48, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
  3. Illustrated
    Passes
    a copyright tagged
    Removed File:Bsb48052.jpg Complex. Claims AUS PD due to unpublished pre 1 Jan 1955. Creation date appears to be 1948. Copyright status needs to be corrected in light of an apparent agreement relating to a limited use license assigned to Wikipedia. File may need to come off commons due to a license agreement. If so commons lists a frwiki use which may be in violation. Has the fax been ticketed correctly through a copyright process? Moondyne originated the claim of a limited use license for Wikipedia here? Also, was the bloody thing created in Australia in the first place? 07:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    Removed File:BillJohnstonPic.jpg Worried. Assertion that "taken during the early 1950s. The image is pre-1955". I see no evidence supporting the assertion. NLA will provide the answers! 08:05, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    Removed File:Lindsay Hassett 1949.jpg Suspicious. 1949, but no creation location listed, double check Hassett's movements and/or NLA record for the item to ascertain if PDA Australia applies... it doesn't necessarily apply just because it is held at NLA. NLA has answers. 08:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    Removed Probably ok Says Ernie retired in the 1940s. I doubt they'd be taking pictures of him in cricket gear after 1954. Though it would be better if we could confirm the picture was taken in Australia, obviously. 08:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    Removed File:SidBarnesHeadshot.jpg Possibly stuffed 1) needs to check his cricket career ended before 1955 (and note against commons). 2: need to check when Cricket's Enigma: The Sid Barnes Story by Rick Smith was published due to Australia's typographical copyright. ... oh crap, NLA lists, "Sydney : ABC Books for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, 1999." ABC may own copyright on the lay-up of this file. Can someone see if the typographical / publishers copyright is 3, 5, 10 years in Australia? 08:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    Removed File:Harvey and Loxton.jpg Probably stuffed The photograph is PD. This scan is copyright infringing, Source "Bradman's Invincibles" book by Roland Perry published GBR 2009-04-25. Probably falls foul of Au and UK publisher's rights to layup. Resource from original? 08:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    Removed File:Morris%26Bradman.jpg if taken in Au, its okay. If taken in UK, UK law applies and the wrong license is being used. 08:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    File:Flag of England.svg fine 08:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    File:Flag_of_Australia.svg fine 08:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    File:Bradman%26Bat.jpg Location determined, date determined, appropriate PD. Fifelfoo (talk) 22:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    File:Sid Barnes, 16 Petersham.jpg location determine (Petersham), date determined, appropriate PD. I went and checked publisher's copyright, and it applies only to the design and typography of the published edition as a whole. There appears to be none of their copyright contained in this image. 22:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    b relevant and captioned
    Relevant
    Passed. Images primarily depict members of the Australian cricket team, individually or in groups. 07:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC) Rechecked, still passes 22:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    Captioned
    Passed. Image captions are appropriate and establish a particular context for the individuals in the light of the 1948 tour. 07:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC) Rechecked, still passes 22:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    Suggestions
    alts. We like them. The visually impaired like them. I particularly like them when browsing mobile and I've turned my images off. There's some good descriptive work to be done with these alts. Characteristic faces, group dynamics, unusual sporting clothing. 07:40, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
    At work on Safari with OS X 10.5 the blue boxes for data penetrated some of the images. 07:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Working here? YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. reviewer's note: I'll check out the "Publisher's copyright issue" and post the results of all this stuff to relevant commons pages. They deserve to know if there's doubt regarding the au_PD status. [I emphatically and obscenity hate copyright law]. Fifelfoo (talk) 12:09, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Everything is fine on this matter now I think YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From Reviewing good articles[edit]

WP:Reviewing GAs

  1. Clearly written, in good prose with correct spelling and grammar. Also look for proper formatting and general organization of the article, with appropriate use of wikilinks and sections as described in those parts of the Manual of Style referred to in the Good article criteria.
    Passes. 22:22, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
  2. Factually accurate according to information in reliable sources, preferably with inline citations using either footnotes or Harvard (parenthetical) references. Ideally, a reviewer should have access to the sources cited, and sufficient expertise to verify that the article reflects the content of the sources. At a bare minimum, reviewers should check that the sources used are reliable (for example, blogs are not usually reliable sources), that they support the statements, and that the article contains no plagiarism: any text copied from sources should be contained within quotation marks, or a quotation template.
    Passes. 22:22, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
  3. Without original research.
    Passes. 22:22, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
  4. Broad in coverage of the topic without unnecessary digressions.
    Passes, (length resolved to my satisfaction)
  5. Written from a neutral point of view.
    Passes. 22:22, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
  6. Stable, with no ongoing edit wars (constructive routine editing is fine).
    Passes. 04:48, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
  7. Compliant with image use policy. Images are encouraged but not required. If images are used, they should have free licenses, or have appropriate fair use rationales.
    Passes 22:46, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Tools[edit]

  • Checklinks check external links and citation parameters
    The Bradman interview (transcript) (info) [cricket.org]
    needs updating
  • Linkcount report the page types wikilinked to
    Dabs
    2 links point to disambiguation pages: Charles Elliott, Harry Parks.
    Bad redirects
    Tony Pawson => Anthony Pawson a Canadian research scientist with nothing to do with cricket?
Suggestions
Editors whose edits I'm interested in here
  1. Jhall1 50
  2. Johnlp 46
  3. Moondyne 27
  4. YellowMonkey 24
  5. BlackJack 20
Moondyne and BlackJack haven't edited since 2007.
Also the article went through a big overhaul in December 2007.
Did these ones as well YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 00:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Space for comments from other reviewers[edit]

Space for comments from involved editors[edit]

Done dabs and redirects etc. The article was mostly done this year. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 06:20, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Will turf a lot of images because of PD in Aus/US conundrum. Needs to be pre-1946 to pass PD in US before hte URuguayr round thing YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 08:05, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Johnston was based on the fact that he had very little hair left when he retired in 1955, but removed anyway per 1946 rule YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 08:06, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Images removed per 1946 rule anyway, regardless of the fact that most should be PD-Aus, they don't work in the US as they fall in the 1946-19555 timeframe. It's annoying, which means only Bradman and Barnes have pre-WWII articles that work YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 08:31, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm out of action for the next 3-4 days, so progress will be nil in a few hours' time YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 00:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Replies[edit]

Easier to just reply to the parts that were not implemented or still being debated. The rest were implemented YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  1. I find the link names to the touring pages a bit confusing here Donald Bradman (captain) (information). (on tour)? (tour biography)?
I'll see what any others think... YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  1. This, perhaps, is incredible enough to go up to the lede, or was this common practice in international matches then? "with 112 days of scheduled cricket in the space of 144 days," Cricket 6 days a week.YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It was quite common in England in the old days, but I noted it anyway YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Bad verb clauses? "Bradman used the pair operated in short and fiery bursts with the new ball."
    "Bradman operated the pair in short and firey bursts with the new ball."
    "Bradman used the pair in short and firey bursts with the new ball."
    A bit concerned about how a new ball can be used in a burst, the idea of the man handling the ball seems lost, and the burst takes on the man's role. Can't think of similarly evocative text though.
"Bradman used the pair in short and fiery bursts": not sure what is wrong with this, eg "He used them/it for short periods/stints" YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Bad verb "top-scored" "having top-scored in both innings to leave England at 153/4." Can we change this one? Made a top score, Achieved a top score?
This is std parlance in all cricket texts, although it may seem odd to the outsider. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Dubious hypenation, not sure myself? second-wicket ?
Thanks for this. I hadn't thought of it. Hyphens are used for compound adjectives but not nouns, so "three-game series" "three-part exam" and "second-wicket partnership" but "added 20 runs for the third wicket" as wicket is a noun and third an adjective. I have gone through the article. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. In later titles, "At Worcester, April 28, 29, 30. Worcestershire (233 and 212) lost to the Australians (462/8 declared) by an innings and 17 runs." I thought we weren't calling them Australians, but Australia?
In official parlance for filling out forms, "Australians" "Indians" etc are used in non-international matches, but the noun is used in international matches, although in general prose, all books use the singular country and the plural people interchably in both contexts. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  1. Decimal points in over counts, rather confusing? "Together the pair bowled almost unchanged, delivering 49.3 of 54.3 overs."
They are written in "Overs.Odd balls" format (innings can end midway through an over if the target is reached, team declares or is bowled out), but if Odd balls=0 they drop the decimal point. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Actually suddenly the narrative starts discussing overs in terms of decimal points. Consistent style on this?
Per above. Cricket convention is to not use .0 for complete overs. The sig figs are wrong for science but cricket is like that YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. This wiki link does not adequately describe pitch rolling imho "elected to not have the pitch rolled."
It links to the road roller as that is the same thing used for cricket pitches. A cylinder goes up and down YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Word check, is this a real one, "inroads" or is it "in roads"
Inroads is pretty normal YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Bad compound noun? Jargon "innings win" "to complete an innings win."
Std cricket parlance, even in serious books YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Jargon score, do you mean "not out"? "Saggers (104*)"
Yes, the first use of teh asterisk is linked to not out YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  1. Respectability is all or nothing, "salvaged some respectability"
Can't agree. This isn't "Did you pass the exam and get your application approved" YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Surely "gaining the ascendancy", they're the first team batting. "Australia batted first. After the loss of Morris early, Barnes (81) and Bradman (98) set about regaining the ascendancy "
No, because there is a par for what is good, average or poor. A specialist batsman averages 40-55 and if he gets out straight away for a small score then the other team have claimed him for a lower price than the market value, so to speak. Same as in archery, if the first guy only scores 1/10 on his first shot, the pressure on his opponent is lost. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Who? "Some English observers decried Toshack's leg stump "
The reference just spoke of it as a general feeling among them YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 23:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. The stands metaphor here sounds like an actual physical stand to non-cricketing me, "and he featured in century stands with Barnes, Miller and Harvey." Partnerships?
Stands is considered to be completely and smoothly synonymous with partnership and we don't want to flatten the prose by having no synonyms and the same words over and over. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. There's a shift in scores throughout between Name 87 and Name (87). Pick one?
I would if it was just like a table that cut into the prose but it depends on whether the number fits into the sentence seamlessly. If not, then brackets are used. I don't think this is in the same class as cites, tables etc, which can't break up the flow of the prose, or inconsistent units, Br/Am E, which just looks silly. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  1. MOS & fiddle: Short cites ending with full-stops?
I don't understand YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  1. "Australia reached tea " Tea in tests has a very specific time meaning, care to wikilink?
Done, found earlier instance YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Potential wikilink? reflex catch
I don't think so as the first word is more of an adjective, rather than a non-obvious part of a compound noun YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Spell out the number "No. 3, "
I don't know what rule the shorthand notation contravenes as "No." is universally understood YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Is this MOS for names containing junior? "Joe Hardstaff junior"
People just go by what is common, and the cricket pages and books spell him out in full at least YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:11, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length[edit]

The length of the Tests is appropriate given the relative space given to a Test vis a vis tour match in teh Wisden reports. About 5/6 - 1 in Wisden YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 12:16, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria says "Broad in coverage of the topic without unnecessary digressions", well, there are no digressions, so we should be fine, nothing off topic. And the concern isn't about a lack of breadth, or excessive breadth. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 22:32, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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