Talk:Avril Coleridge-Taylor

Avril Coleridge-Taylor was nominated as a Music good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (April 12, 2022). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Theleekycauldron (talk) 20:20, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Avril Coleridge-Taylor was the first female conductor of H.M.S. Royal Marines, and in 1938 she was the first female conductor to conduct at the bandstand in London's Hyde Park? Source: "Conductress in Hyde Park". Yorkshire Post and Leeds Intelligencer. 15 June 1938. p. 10. Retrieved 28 March 2022.
- Comment: New information added to the Avril Coleridge-Taylor page by user Lechatlunatique during a British Library wikithon. Some cool firsts!

Created by Lechatlunatique (talk). Nominated by Medievalfran (talk) at 12:08, 28 March 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General eligibility:

New enough: - No, the article has not been recently created, expanded, or improved to Good Article status.
Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - Didn't check, as the article is ineligible because it is not new.
Neutral: - See above
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - See above

Hook eligibility:

Cited: - See above
Interesting: - See above

QPQ: - See above

Overall:

Unfortunately, I will have to fail this nomination per WP:DYKRULES. This page has not been created, expanded fivefold, or improved to Good Article status within a week of the nomination. These two edits are the only edits I see in the week prior to the date of this nomination. The hook is certainly interesting, but this represents an expansion from 4,385 to 4,479 bytes of prose (around 21,900 bytes of prose would be needed for the nomination to be eligible). If you do expand the page fivefold or improve the article to Good Article status, though, then this can be renominated. Epicgenius (talk) 14:18, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Tim riley (talk · contribs) 12:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Initial comments[edit]

I'm struggling with this article rather. It seems seriously incomplete and not altogether accurate:

It seems odd not to mention that AC-T performed as a soprano, including appearing as soloist in her father's Hiawatha (Dundee Courier, 5 April 1923, p. 8) and broadcasting on the BBC (BBC Genome).
It seems odd, too, not to mention that brother Hiawatha was also a musician. (They appeared together in concerts, at the Queen's Hall on 14 February 1920 and the Ulster Hall the following month.)
The biographical details are patchy. We are told when she married but not when she divorced.
If she entered Trinity College in 1913 and studied there under Alec Rowley she must have been a student for a very long time as he didn't start teaching there until 1920. Gordon Jacob was a student at the Royal College of Music until 1924 and according to our article, and Grove, and the ODNB, he went straight from graduation to the staff of the RCM – no mention of ever teaching at Trinity.
The article is wrong that the Royal Philharmonic Society presented her Wyndore. It was the slightly less prestigious Birkenhead Philharmonic Society. (Liverpool Echo, 28 January 1938, p. 10)
No citation is given to back up the assertion that Green Pastures is "nowadays controversial").
As there is a dead link, the statement that the RPO performed Wyndore in 2020 lacks verifiable citation.
The references to "Palmer, Russell. British Music (1947)" are also unverifiable for lack of bibliographical details and page numbers.
No sources are cited to back up the statements that in 1933 she made her debut as a conductor at the Royal Albert Hall, was the first female conductor of H.M.S. Royal Marines (whatever H.M.S. Royal Marines is supposed to be) and was a frequent guest conductor of the BBC Orchestra and the London Symphony Orchestra. The BBC Genome website lists her just twice as conductor of the BBC Orchestra and once as conductor of the BBC Concert Orchestra.

I'll put the review on hold for a week, but if substantial improvements are not made, particularly as to citations and verifiability, I'm afraid the nomination will fail. Tim riley talk 12:50, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

→→Thank you Tim riley for reviewing the article! I don't have the time/ resource at the moment to make these corrections myself, but hoping this will get picked up at a future wikithon I'm running. Huge thanks for your generous comments and guidance. Medievalfran (talk) 13:17, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Understood. I'll fail the nomination this time round and wish the article better fortunes after your Wikithon. Meanwhile I'll put it on my own to-do list and improve it if I can. I hope your Wikithon goes well. Tim riley talk 14:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Music in History Intersectionality and Music[edit]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 17 January 2023 and 9 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): AGDickson (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by AGDickson (talk) 07:07, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]