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Sadiq sayeed khan ex former secy Govt of Pak Chairman supreme council tanzeemul awan Pakistan belong to Hazara Division Abbottabad city Dhamtore after shifted this family to Jangee Qazeean Mansehera road Abbottabad Awankhalid223 (talk) 10:36, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done as Sadiq Sayeed Khan does not have an article, so is ineligible for inclusion. Please WP:Write the article first - Arjayay (talk) 10:58, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

@Arjayay Awankhalid223 (talk) 07:00, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2023

Sadiq Sayeed Khan (Former Federal Secretary Govt of Pakistan) & (Chairman Council Tanzeem ul Awan Pakistan) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tahir mehmood awan (talk • contribs) 23:36, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
I'm guessing that you want him added to the list of notable Awans, but Sadiq Sayeed Khan does not have an article, so is ineligible for inclusion. - Arjayay (talk) 09:01, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@Arjayay yes Awankhalid223 (talk) 15:28, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Sadiq Sayeed khan

Sadiq Sayeed khan Former Secertsry Govt of Pak and Chairman supreme council Tanzeemul Awan Pakistan is famous personality Hazara Awan tribe village Damtore and after shifted his family Dhamtore to Jangi Qazeean his father Late Khan Qalandar khan was very power full burocrate in British regime he was frist president Tanzeemul Awan Hazara Division Abbottabad and all awan brothery Hazara Division gathered his family has very great services for beloved pakistan Awankhalid223 (talk) 18:20, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done as Sadiq Sayeed Khan does not have an article, so is ineligible for inclusion. Please WP:Write the article first - Arjayay (talk) 10:59, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

@Arjayay Awankhalid223 (talk) 22:44, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

This page is consistently a train wreck

The latest change to this page beggars belief; from some periodically propounding the myth that the Awan tribe is of Arab origin, it has now got to the point that an attempt is being made to pass off the Awans as a Persian tribe. Contrary to the claims made in the latest iteration of this article (based on flimsy and questionable accounts), modern research (including genetic studies) actually points to the fact that the Awan tribe is indigenous to the subcontinent. Moreover, to claim that the language spoken by this tribe, along with their traditions and customs, reflects ties to other Persian groups, is ridiculous, when the reality is that their linguistic and cultural traditions, as well as their social customs, are in keeping with the other tribal groups which have long inhabited those parts of Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa where the Awan tribe predominates. Hassan B. Awan (talk) 12:00, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Questionable sourcing

• "The Frontier Policy of the Delhi Sultans", page 186, "..Handreth's theory suggests that the A'wans, though recent immigrants into the Punjab, are descended from the Bactrian Greeks..[..] best available account of the tribe the A'wans are indeed said to be of Arabian origin".

• The Journal of Central Asia, attempts at finding a journal of this name resulted in nothing. There is a "The Journal of Central Asia & Caucasia Review". Also this reference has no page number either.

• Muhammad Abdul Qadir, Punjab Castes, no publishing year, no page number, no result on google books unverifiable.

• Olaf Caroe, The Pathans, no page number, the word Awan does not show up on a search. Fails verification.

• Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan Or The Central and Western Rajput States of India · Volume 1, no page number, outdated work by civil administrator not an historian. Not a reliable source. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:33, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

All the sources for "Persian" appear to be primary sources, unsupported by any secondary or tertiary sources, thus unreliable. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:43, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Infobox

Infobox contains unsourced and wrong information. The information is contrary to article because the ethnicity of Awan tribe is not established. Only clue of it is tribe's own understanding of their ethnicity which is Arab. Location of tribe is also contrary to article because inforbox gives their location as Punjab, Sindh and Azad Kashmir while the article states that majority resides in Punjab, Khyber Pakhtunkhaw and Kashmir. Similarly, there is no mention in article of language being used by the tribe which according to infobox is Punjabi while the tribe is spread over a vast area and speaks indigenous languages including Lehnda, Pashto, Hindko and Kashmiri. If any language can be associated with this tribe, its the tribal language Awankari and not Punjabi.

I personally don't see any need for infobox because its just a start-class article but if it is to be included than it should atleast contain correct information. Thanks. - Greentree0 (talk) 10:25, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

British Raj Source

The recent addition to article which supports the assumption that Awans might have a Jat origin is backed by footnote in a controversial book which itself states that this assumption is derived from a British Raj Gazetteer. There are many British Raj sources which support different origin theories of Awans, according to some they are Arabs, others Greek, Pashtuns and even Rajputs. British Raj sources are extremely unreliable, thus this addition should be reverted. - Greentree0 (talk) 14:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 September 2023

Ibrahim11111 (talk) 07:22, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Awan is not a panjabi community the information provided in the Wikipedia page is entirely wrong. Awans speak Pashto and hindko in a vast majority and more than 50% of Awans live in Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa have been entirely excluded from the page and a point to know that they came with the forces of mehmood ghaznavi from Afghanistan is also not included and much more so I request u to allow me edit this page because alot of information provided is wrong and please let me correct it to avoid vandalism

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 10:02, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

British Raj Source

The recent addition to article which supports the assumption that Awans might have a Jat origin is backed by footnote in a controversial book which itself states that this assumption is derived from a British Raj Gazetteer. There are many British Raj sources which support different origin theories of Awans, according to some they are Arabs, others Greek, Pashtuns and even Rajputs. British Raj sources are extremely unreliable, thus this addition should be reverted. - Greentree0 (talk) 14:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

British Raj Source

The recent addition to article which supports the assumption that Awans might have a Jat origin is backed by footnote in a controversial book which itself states that this assumption is derived from a British Raj Gazetteer. There are many British Raj sources which support different origin theories of Awans, according to some they are Arabs, others Greek, Pashtuns and even Rajputs. British Raj sources are extremely unreliable, thus this addition should be reverted. - Greentree0 (talk) 14:22, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Inaccurate information about Awans caste on Wikipedia

Awan is not a panjabi community the information provided in the Wikipedia page is entirely wrong. Awans speak Pashto and hindko in a vast majority and more than 50% of Awans live in Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa have been entirely excluded from the page and a point to know that they came with the forces of mehmood ghaznavi from Afghanistan is also not included and much more so I request u to allow me edit this page because alot of information provided is wrong and please let me correct it to avoid vandalism Ibrahim11111 (talk) 15:39, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done This is not the right page to request additional user rights.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:55, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Awan is not a panjabi community, corrections need to be made on Wikipedia page

Awan is not a panjabi community the information provided in the Wikipedia page is entirely wrong. Awans speak Pashto and hindko in a vast majority and more than 50% of Awans live in Khyber Pakhtoonkhwa have been entirely excluded from the page and a point to know that they came with the forces of mehmood ghaznavi from Afghanistan is also not included and much more so I request u to allow me edit this page because alot of information provided is wrong and please let me correct it to avoid vandalism Ibrahim11111 (talk) 15:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done Please do not repeat the same request, as this can be seen as disruptive editing. - Arjayay (talk) 15:57, 16 October 2023 (UTC)