Talk:Azerbaijanis in Turkey

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Ethnic Minority??[edit]

As a Turkish person who comes from Azerbaycani Turk (not "azeri", there is nothing called "azeri",azerbaycani Türks do not call themselves "azeri" they call themselves Turk or "Azerbaycani Turk")family, I am not sure Azerbaycani Turks in Turkey should be considered as a separete ethnic minority. We come from same ethnicity(even from same Oghuz subdivision), speak same lanaguage, have the same cultural and historical background; and We surely don't think ourselves as a minority. And when you think of it, where will this kind of classification lead, will there also be a "Cypriot Turk ethnic minority in Turkey" section? İs there a "Northern Korean minority in South Korea" ethnic minortiy section; or a "Western German minority in Eastern Germany" section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.97.64.79 (talk) 10:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Source[edit]

I've readded the sourced information on the expulsion of Azeris from Armenia in 1918 through 1920. Parishan 09:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Russian source is 404 not found[1],I don't see anything in Anderson source that supported the sentence[2]. --VartanM 23:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

assimilation ?[edit]

last paragraph "Today Azeris in Turkey are a growing and well-integrated minority. However, just like Azeris in Iran, many of them are exposed to cultural and language assimilation."

Oh come on, how can people who share a common language, culture, religion with Turks be assimilated ? When and who in Turkey tried to change Azeri culture ? It is ridiculous ! Turkish and Azerbaijani are mutually intelligible, so how can Turks assimilate their own language ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.235.25.144 (talk) 23:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As long as I understand, they lost ethnic identity, but they keep their religious identity. For example,

According to KONDA, 21,900 people (2006, 0.03% of total population) think themselves as Azeri. (Toplumsal Yapı Araştırması 2006, Biz Kimiz?, KONDA, Retrieved 29 September 2011.).

According to Şuhe Altundağ, 3,000,000 Twelvers live in Turkey. Most of them are Azeri Turks. (Şule Altundağ, Caferi imamlar, Aksiyon, Sayı: 514, November 10, 2004, Retrieved 29 September 2011.)

Takabeg (talk) 16:21, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unreliable source?[edit]

The book "Azerbaijan and the Challenge of Multiple Identities" by Alireza Asgharzadeh is not a reliable source . By WP:SOURCES ,

All articles must adhere to Wikipedia's neutrality policy, fairly representing all majority and significant-minority viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in rough proportion to the prominence of each view. Tiny-minority views and fringe theories need not be included, except in articles devoted to them.

Mr.Asgharzadeh is a known Pan-Turk with expressed anti-Persian and anti-Iranian points of view.His book is not reliable.--Alborz Fallah (talk) 16:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Says who?
And what does this article have to do with anti-Iranianism? It's not undermining or challenging the position of Iran or Iranians in any way. Or do you disagree with it just because it doesn't make Azeris look marginal? 99.226.143.206 (talk) 05:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • His book is not reliable.NPOV a general rule in Wikipedia. The article doesn't need to mention the anti-Iranian parts of that book, when a source is not standard, that means it can't be used in any aspect. More than that, when according to that source, it's claimed in the article "After (21 Azar) in Iran (1946), political immigrants from Iran increased the numbers of Azeris in Turkey", it means it is challenging the Iranian government's actions on maintaining its territorial integrity.
    As the Iranian and Turkey's governments were anti-communists in that time, it is highly improbable for Turkey to accept any communist participant in 21 Azar revolt. No record from such immigration is present in any historical document from that time; set aside its magnitude is so high to change the ethical composition of Turkey!
    And no ! I'm Azeri myself and I don't want to make Azeris look marginal. Two branches of Pan-Turkism are now battling each other for inventing a new identity for Iranian Azeris : The Pan-Azeri branch want to invent a non-Iranian Azerbaijan republophilic identity , and the Turkeyphilic one wants to build a Turkish one.As the struggles between two party goes on , there is a battle between them in naming the Azeri language "Turki " or "Azeri" , in considering a separate identity for Azeris of Turkey and in interpretation of history (e.g. about Safavids).It seems that this particular book may belong to the Pan-Azeri branch and that means whatever it says , can't be considered as reliable .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 10:42, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnicity in Turkey[edit]

This article remarks, "It is hard to determine how many ethnic Azerbaijanis currently reside in Turkey because ethnicity is a rather fluid concept in this country." But the cited source[3] is about Kurds, rather than Azerbaijanis, and I'm not sure what part of this report is supposed to lend support to this assertion.

The article Demographics of Turkey gives some more clues:

The concept of "minorities" has only been accepted by the Republic of Turkey as defined by the Treaty of Lausanne of 1924 and thence strictly limited to Greeks, Jews and Armenians, only on religious matters, excluding from the scope of the concept the ethnic identities of these minorities as of others such as the Kurds who make up 15% of the country; others include Assyrians/Syriacs of various Christian denominations, Alevis and all the others.

Maybe this is a holdover from Ottoman times. But actually I've read that the reason why you can't get numbers for Azerbaijanis (and many other ethnic groups) is because the Turkish state officially counts all Turkic-speaking ethnic groups as simply "Turks". The Turkic languages are also regarded as "dialects" in the state universities, and Turkish foreign policy tried to promote Turkish as a lingua franca for the post-Soviet Central Asian republics. Azerbaijan is probably the second most pan-Turkist nation, though, so they might actually self-identify as Turkish Turks, or as non-Anatolian Turks, or something. It would be helpful to have a more specific source to explain why we can't get the numbers. Shrigley (talk) 06:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The term "Turkish Azerbaijanis" is being used incorrectly[edit]

The term "Turkish Azerbaijanis" is being used incorrectly here. It should be written as "Azerbaijani Turkish people".

"Turkish Azerbaijanis" would imply that the article is about Turks in Azerbaijan, similar to Turkish Americans, Turkish Canadians, Turkish Australians, Turkish Cypriots, Turkish Bulgarians, Turkish Germans etc. etc.

In articles on ethnic Azerbaijanis, the correct way would be Azerbaijani Americans, Azerbaijani Canadians, Azerbaijani Australians... and therefore Azerbaijani Turkish people. Sseevv (talk) 20:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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