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BYD F3e or F3DM[edit]

Is BYD Auto renamed BYD F3e to BYD F3DM!? (I think this company is.) -- Love Krittaya (talk) 07:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, F3e is electric only (EV) model while F6DM (but naming convention goes for F3DM as well) is plug-in hybrid (DM as in Dual Mode.) 83.183.22.96 (talk) 23:17, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
F3e is a masterpiece integrating both IT technology and Auto technology of BYD. It combines world class rechargeable battery technology, excellent R&D technology of automobile core components and parts and complete vehicle manufacturing technology. F3e is a remarkable example of energy-saving, environment-friendly, technology-driven and trendy automotive manufacturing. Inheriting the design concepts of being Faddy, Faithworthy and Futuramic, it has taken the concept of driver-friendly into full consideration It is also equipped with an on-board charger, which is compatible with a standard electric socket (220V 10A). Thanks to BYD’s outstanding technology integration capacity, F3e’s cost has been reduced to the maximum extent, laying the foundation for commercialization of F3e.
The quality of the F3e assures excellent performance:The cost of electric power is only 1/3 of that of gasoline consumption;Top speed is over 150km/h;it takes less than 13.5s to accelerate from 0 to 100km/h;The maximum gradeability is more than 30%;The electric power consumption is less than 12kwh per 100km;The car can travel over 300km / per charge;Meanwhile, the battery's life-cycle is about 2000 times/ 600,000km for a complete vehicle.
http://www.byd.com/tech/F3etech.asp?show=t1&color=a --Linooxlee (talk) 02:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i recommend deleting this↑ advertisment, lol 119.119.49.111 (talk) 02:55, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

distance the battery can drive the car[edit]

A bbc artical here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/7779261.stm states this car can go 80 miles (129km) before the battery runs out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rominik (talk • contribs) 00:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Data taken from Geneva car show March 2008: The battery has 20 kWh. The consumption is 16 kWh/100km. At this 16 kWh is usual also the efficiency of the charger and the efficency of charging the battery. So 129 km could be possible discharging the battery complete. But usual, the ICE should start before. A 100% discharge is much more stress for the battery than an 80% discharge. The GM Opel Ampera has 16 kWh battery for 60km electric only (Inteview at the Geneva car show March 2009 by me). The battery is only used between 80% and 40% to have a longer service life. --Pege.founder (talk) 20:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

distance the battery can drive the car[edit]

Did I write correctly to the beginning of article that the hybrid tech. is series hybrid? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.28.144.2 (talk) 14:31, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Principles of operation section[edit]

This section needs text[edit]

The annotation in these illustrations is not English. Narrative explanation is needed. Tom Haws (talk) 17:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

These illustrations appear inaccurate[edit]

It appears that none or perhaps only one (not sure) of these illustrations show the hybrid mode used by this car, which I understand to be electric motor with IC engine recharge, not direct drive by IC engine. Tom Haws (talk) 17:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The second illustration (HEV normal mode) shows the mechanical clutch disengaged and the ICE motor driving M1 (the generator), electrically connected via controller/charger to the electric motor M2. Except for possible battery charging this is the same as the Chevrolet Volt's long distance mode, which does not charge the batteries. - Leonard G. (talk) 02:02, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How the hell does Wikipedia not have a picture of this?[edit]

s it just too difficult to have a picture of a car, manufactured in a country with more than a billion people? You stupid fools, you can't even stick your self-righteous sockernanny heads out of your asses for just one minute to examine whether it is right, in the interest of your so called "pursuit" of knowledge, to deliver one of the most important parts of an article, especially an automobile section, in which a picture MUST be shown. As the self-righteous cow Jimmy Wales is begging for money with his hand out and his eyes glazed over, I hope you cast your blood-shot eyes down in shame to your gargantuan drool-covered stomach, looking like an Kenyan malnourished toddler. For shame. 24.235.198.240 (talk) 17:29, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Really now, pictures are often not available that are free-use licenced. Wp does not (by rule) include image that have a license including or more restrictive than "Free use - non commercial". Many of the manufacture's images are "press kit" images with various restrictions, so we are often dependent upon contributed images from car shows (for prototypes and concepts) or street images. You can help by carrying a camera, and when you see anything of note, think "...might Wikipedia need an image of that?", and then searching the Commons for related images. Oh, and by the way, please turn down the abusive language. Good luck on your twelve step program. - Leonard G. (talk) 18:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article already has a link to Flickr for available pics of the BYD F3DM (see the External links section), but none has a license that would allow upload here or in the Commons (and by the way, I deleted the insults and improper language because it is a blatant violation of WP:CIV).-Mariordo (talk) 17:31, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You could have simply searched Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, as I did, to find an image of this vehicle to add to the article. I've added it this time, from an image at Commons:Category:BYD F3DM, but perhaps you could take initiative next time and do so yourself. Mindmatrix 17:53, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have an another answer. I think it is difficult because most English Wikipedia users are not living in China. (I living in Thailand. Japanese cars are everywhere. Chinese cars are very rare here.) --Love Krittaya (talk) 17:48, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

F6DM, sales, vaporware accusations[edit]

The F6DM is currently not listed for sale, and BYD themselves won't be showing the F6DM in Geneva], focusing instead on the SUV S6DM. I think it can be safely said that the F6DM will not be built, even as the technology developed for it finds its way into BYD's other dual-mode cars. I also believe that the vaporware accusations do contain some truth, lord knows that these cars have helped their stock value without actually producing cars in any numbers worth mentioning. For BYD to claim insufficient battery-building capacity is also certainly worthy of a mention.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 18:31, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have any problem with criticism, and indeed I share the view that BYD and other Chinese carmakers have been selling a lot of vaporware. See for example the NYT coverage of this issue here. Nevertheless, I do not think the content you added belongs to this article (about the F3DM) but rather to the BYD F6DM which never went beyond a glider concept car. Also a expanded version of this criticism could go to the BYD article. So I respectfully request that you move the content related to criticism to the proper article, or at least create here a criticism section (for purposes of NPOV). See you around.--Mariordo (talk) 23:59, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I can live with the current state of the article. I do however feel that calling the F6DM a "concept car" is incorrect, as it was never presented as anything but a production vehicle (with an ever moving introduction date). I reckon that they really thought they would make it, so it's not quite vaporware - what do you think one should refer to it as? I thought "never-built" was reasonable, but maybe there is something better.  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 07:30, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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