Talk:Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories

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Why his muslim father[edit]

is not mentioned? and why the picture in which he participated in a muslim holiday is not mentioned?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.142.2.203 (talkcontribs)

Because religion isn't genetic. That's kind of a basic premise of Christianity.
And what picture would that be? There's lots of pictures of Obama and since your telepathy isn't working right we don't know which one you mean. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:22, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
According to Islamic law (in all of its law schools) the child of a Muslim father is a Muslim. (The same, a child with a Jewish mother is a Jew.) The child has no choice not to be a Muslim. If the child denies to be a Muslim, the child is an apostate (murtadd). That means that when his paternal grandfather converted to Islam, his son, Barack Obama senior, automatically became a Muslim. If Barack Obama senior never converted to another religion, his son, Barack Obama junior automatically became a Muslim too. So according to Islamic law Barack Obama junior is a Muslim who may have defected from Islam by becoming a Christian. Normally you need to be baptized to become a Christian. So the question is when exactly and where was Barack Obama junior baptized? Are there any documents or witnesses to prove it? Dan Holsinger (talk) 11:57, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Dan Holsinger: Regardless of what Islamic custody law claims, if someone does not hold a religion's beliefs, does not observe that religion's practices, and does not claim that religion as part of their identity, it's not reasonable to identify them as followers of that religion. Also, Islam also claims that Adam was a Muslim which means that we're both apostate Muslims, too.
As the article already covers, Obama was largely raised by his Christian mother and grandparents. His father was only present when Obama was an infant and was best described as a "Muslim-raised atheist" at any rate. Obama's stepfather was nominally Muslim (described as being more of a "free spirit" influenced by Dharmic religions than a devout Muslim). While this lead to Obama being listed as a Muslim when he went to school (regardless of whatever he believed), his family sent him to a Catholic school. There is no solid case to argue that he was raised Muslim, unless we re-define Islam to just mean "monotheism."
As for what Obama has said and done to demonstrate his religious preferences, the article already explains that he was baptized into the United Church of Christ in 1988, see [1]. Obama has also said "I'm a Christian by choice."
If someone takes an honest assessment of the facts, any adherent to the conspiracy theory that Obama is secretly Muslim would have to be too disconnected from reality and/or guided by bigotry to be a useful editor. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:23, 20 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe good for something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:32, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]