Talk:Bareun Party

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Contested deletion[edit]

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because it is part of a recent development of an important shift in South Korean politics. --72.53.70.8 (talk) 08:08, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Liberal conservatism?[edit]

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@117.53.77.84: Liberal conservatism is "자유보수주의" in Korean language. But I cannot found the word or similar words in your source. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 17:12, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Political position[edit]

삭은사과, is the political position really controversial? I think this is something where we can look at reliable sources. With the Bareun Party, there are many news sources that describe its position. The vast majority describe the party as center-right,^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5] one source describes it as centrist,^[6] and one source describes it as right-wing.^[7] I think the sources make it clear that the Bareun Party is considered center-right.

You do make a point about the New Conservative Party. I think that, if anything, the NCP's position is what should be changed. There are very few sources describing the NCP's political position, and it might be considered center-right to right-wing. Ezhao02 (talk) 20:44, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BP has a number of people who are close to right-wing populism, who are not so moderate in anti-discrimination laws, feminism, and LGBTI issues. I think it's better not to write down the political positions of BP and NCP.--삭은사과 (talk) 21:35, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But doesn't that count as original research, since what the sources say seems quite clear? Also, if I'm not mistaken, isn't South Korea generally socially conservative, with even the center-left not supporting same-sex marriage? Wouldn't that mean that BP could still count as center-right within the context of South Korean politics? Thanks, Ezhao02 (talk) 21:47, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging. Ezhao02 (talk) 13:16, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@삭은사과: I do understand that the Bareun Party had more right-wing factions that either rejoined the LKP or wanted the parties to merge. Do you think a potential compromise could be Centre-right<br>'''Factions:'''<br>[[Right-wing]]? Thanks, Ezhao02 (talk) 16:59, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've just changed it to this. Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Ezhao02 (talk) 22:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is somewhat ambiguous because the media once described Bareunmirae Party as a right-wing. In particular, Lee Un-ju is an far-right. (For your information, Lee Un-ju is from the People's Party→Bareunmirae Party.)--삭은사과 (talk) 10:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The biggest problem is that for now, in South Korean politics, the terms associated with political positions used in the West, such as left-wing, Centre and right-wing, are not used very well... I'll think of an alternative first. I won't revise your description of keeping the "Right-wing" as a political "factions" until I give you an alternative opinion.--삭은사과 (talk) 11:14, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@삭은사과: Thank you for your ideas. From what you're saying, would it be correct to describe most political parties in Korea as catch-all parties? Thanks, Ezhao02 (talk) 12:29, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ezhao02:While many political parties in the South Korea have a big tent character, the problem is that the "left-wing forces" in the original meaning of what it says in the Western political context are often ruled out. In other words, it is more like a big tent between the far-right and the center-left.--삭은사과 (talk) 11:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. That makes sense. Ezhao02 (talk) 11:52, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@삭은사과: Do you think Korean-language articles could help us resolve this? Thanks, Ezhao02 (talk) 12:59, 9 September 2020 (UTC) [reply]

References

^ He-rim, Jo (11 February 2018). "People's Party finalizes decision to merge with Bareun Party". The Korea Herald.
^ "Defectors from People's Party create new liberal party". Yonhap News Agency. 6 February 2018.
^ "South Korea President Moon Jae In to meet ruling, opposition leaders over North Korea". The Straits Times. 26 September 2017.
^ Papagiorcopulo, Simon (13 November 2017). "South Korea's Bareun Party to elect new leader as influence wanes". Daily Brief. Foreign Brief.
^ Denney, Steven (1 March 2019). "South Korean Conservatives: What Now?". The Diplomat.
^ Kim, Arin (8 December 2019). "Centrist third party on course to split". The Korea Herald. The Bareunmirae Party was launched with the merger of two centrist parties—one chaired by Ahn and the other by Yoo.
^ Lee Sung-eun; Yoo Sung-woon (10 October 2019). "Bareunmirae Party starts to splinter". Korea JoongAng Daily. Ahn was a contender in the previous presidential election and a former chairman of the centrist People's Party, which later merged with the right-wing Bareun Party to form the Bareunmirae Party.

[1] He-rim, Jo (11 February 2018). "People's Party finalizes decision to merge with Bareun Party". The Korea Herald.

[2] "Defectors from People's Party create new liberal party". Yonhap News Agency. 6 February 2018.

[3] "South Korea President Moon Jae In to meet ruling, opposition leaders over North Korea". The Straits Times. 26 September 2017.

[4] Papagiorcopulo, Simon (13 November 2017). "South Korea's Bareun Party to elect new leader as influence wanes". Daily Brief. Foreign Brief.

[5] Denney, Steven (1 March 2019). "South Korean Conservatives: What Now?". The Diplomat.

[6] Kim, Arin (8 December 2019). "Centrist third party on course to split". The Korea Herald. The Bareunmirae Party was launched with the merger of two centrist parties—one chaired by Ahn and the other by Yoo.

[7] Lee Sung-eun; Yoo Sung-woon (10 October 2019). "Bareunmirae Party starts to splinter". Korea JoongAng Daily. Ahn was a contender in the previous presidential election and a former chairman of the centrist People's Party, which later merged with the right-wing Bareun Party to form the Bareunmirae Party.

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