Talk:Barry Windsor-Smith

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Valiant comics[edit]

The line "Windsor-Smith's design work produced some of the most original and important comic book characters since Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created the Marvel Universe." seems a mite excessive. Any external support ? -- Beardo 19:23, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have always liked Windsor-Smith, and at times, considered him my favorite comics artist, but this above quoted statement is surely POV (and definately not MY POV!!!)Odysseybookshop 16:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking of which, can anyone replace some of the art in the cover gallery, which is all represented by later work (which in my view is inferior), with some other, earlier pieces...at least this would give a balanced view of a three decade + career.


Agreed. His fine art pieces are completely ignored by this article on favor of his least-esteemed commercial work. Permission from BWS should be obtained to show works to better illustrate his range. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.242.228.186 (talk • contribs) 13:04, 23 September 2006
Do we need permission ? Aren't they covered by fair use ? Though in fact - are all these Valiant covers within fair use ? -- Beardo 21:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required[edit]

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Data dump: links[edit]

Anarchangel (talk) 16:52, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To Index? or not to Index?[edit]

Any thoughts on whether an index of BWS comics and other publications (prints/portfolios) should be either on this page or a linked page? Surprisingly, there's nothing of the kind available that I can see. The GCD entries are fairly complex to navigate, the Marvel index ditto (and obviously only geared to their publications, so incomplete). His own site dosn't even have a full list of either portfolios or comics. All considerations welcome, Cheers! Archiveangel (talk) 23:53, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

Passed. Kj cheetham (talk) 19:43, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewer: Kj cheetham (talk · contribs) 16:23, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Starting review. -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:23, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

I've now done my first pass:

Lead – ok, but refs [4] and [5] should be merged (The Guardian article).

Early life – bit short, but fine. His first published work was before he was 20, so didn’t expect a lot of details before that. Should be tweaked so it’s less like the reference as shown in https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1169030818&action=compare&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbarrywindsor-smith.com%2Fstudio%2Fbwsbio1.html

Career – mostly ok. Needs better referencing for the first half of the paragraph starting “At this point he changed his professional surname to Windsor-Smith” I think.

1980s – ok

1990s – ok, though sentence starting “Valiant had obtained the licenses” might be a bit off-topic, perhaps make it shorter? “The third largest comics publisher in the U.S. behind the long-time industry leaders Marvel and DC.” should be reworded as looks like copying from the source.

2000s – I assume this covers 2010s as well? Much shorter than last two sub-sections, but that’s ok if less things happened. Any references what was he doing the 16 gaps without publishing? Sentence starting “He was working on a Superman story in 1999” should be in the previous section.

2020s – ok

Personal life – ok. I assume no children or such to mention?

Awards – ok. I’m assuming the ones which are only nominated are sufficiently notable awards to still include in this list, especially as most awards already have their own Wikipedia articles too. Is there a better ref for "1993 – UK Comic Art Awards Best New Feature" than LinkedIn? The 2022 refs should be merged. I'm not sure if http://www.hahnlibrary.net/ is a reliable source or not, but it would be better to use another source if possible.

Bibliography – should have a reference. Books all have ISBNs at least, which is good.

References – seem ok.

External links – fine.

Image is fine, relevant with caption and appropriate license. Would be nice to include further images for an article this length, but not required for Good status.

No major copyvio issues overall. Things flagged on earwig seem to be mostly quotes

General discussion[edit]

FlairTale, Overall, looks to be in good condition, but I want to do some spot checks on references and another read through before I mark it as a pass. I’ve done a couple of very minor formatting tweaks myself already. See more detailed comments above. -Kj cheetham (talk) 20:24, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think I can have all the issues resolved within a day. And I think the Comic Book Awards Almanac can be considered reliable. Many of the best sources within comics topics are written by fans, such as TwoMorrows Publishing magazines and Wizard (magazine). The almanac has also been cited by several comic book sources.[1][2][3][4][5] --FlairTale (talk) 05:03, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Kj cheetham All of the comments should be  Done. Windsor-Smith seems to have spent the 2010s and later part of the 2000s working on Monsters or doing non-published work. I thoroughly looked for a source of him having children and could not find any. The nominated awards have strong notability, and I removed the UK Comic Art Awards because there do no appear to be any strong sources for it. Two more images were included, which showcase how Windsor-Smith's artstyle changed over time. --FlairTale (talk) 11:11, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
FlairTale, sorry for my delay in responding, I had to delay with some things off-wiki! Your changes look good though. The two new images are both marked as "fair use", so that's fine. The first couple of sentances of the Early Life section are a bit close to http://barrywindsor-smith.com/studio/bwsbio1.html still as per earwig, but that's minor and wouldn't stop it being a GA to me.
I'm still not 100% sure if Comic Book Awards Almanac is WP:RELIABLE looking at http://www.hahnlibrary.net/comics/awards/about.php. But based on WP:RSSELF it seems like it might be okay, so I'll take it on good faith that it is.
I've nothing further to add, so I'm happy to mark this as passed! Thank you for all your contributions. -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:42, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 04:50, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... that Barry Windsor-Smith illustrated Conan the Barbarian comic books for Marvel Comics during the 1970s, based upon pulp magazines of the 1932 character created by Robert E. Howard? Source: Sanderson, Peter (2008). "1970s". In Gilbert, Laura (ed.). Marvel Chronicle A Year by Year History. London, United Kingdom: Dorling Kindersley. p. 146. ISBN 978-0756641238. Writer Roy Thomas and British artist Barry Smith (later known as Barry Windsor-Smith) launched Marvel's sword-and-sorcery comics with Conan the Barbarian, in a series that ran for 275 issues.
    • Reviewed:

Improved to Good Article status by FlairTale (talk). Self-nominated at 03:31, 16 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Barry Windsor-Smith; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @FlairTale: Good article, but i'm not exactly liking the hook all that much, so a new hook would be nice. Also Earwig reports some copyvio here [6]. It's probably a WP:MIRROR but I would like some confirmation. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: Is Windsor-Smith illustrating Conan comics in general an unintersting hook in your opinion?
If not I would like to try to find another hook involving Conan and Howard if possible, otherwise here's an alternative idea:
That Curtisstone.com page did not even remove the numeric citation tags (ex. "quickly became a considerable success story,[29] selling nearly two million copies") when it copied the Wikipedia article. And it seems to be dated to this year, at the bottom of the page. On top of all that, this seems to be a cooking website. Bizarre. FlairTale (talk) 01:05, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I do have to ask if citing that hook to an interview is alright but technically it's saying that he was credited so maybe. Onegreatjoke (talk) 23:51, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Onegreatjoke: Here is a source for Windsor-Smith bringing Romanticism to Conan comics specifically, which combined with the interview saying this was unprecedented might be sufficient? FlairTale (talk) 13:35, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]


@Onegreatjoke: Do you know why the DYK hook that was selected was something that wasn't discussed at all? --FlairTale (talk) 06:40, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I believe there was a conversation on the DYK talk page that changed the hook. Onegreatjoke (talk) 20:23, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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