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Please add the following;

The highlight of the parade is famous annual march of Legion de la Etrangere (the French Foreign Legion)! -- mps (talk) 1039:02, 14 July 2009 (HST) source: www.kepiblanc.fr.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.16.65 (talk) 08:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Please add the following: In 2009, a 400-strong detachment led by a section from the Maratha Light Infantry, one of the oldest regiments of the Indian army, marched down the Champs Elysées under the eyes of Indian Prime Minister, Dr. Manmohan Singh, who was the guest of honour. This was to commemorate the sacrifice of Indian Soldiers in the World Wars. http://www.rfi.fr/actuen/articles/115/article_4316.asp --mps (talk) 06:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Umm, why is this article about Ubuntu and not the holiday? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.38.77.120 (talk) 15:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Somebody PLEASE fix the section about Bastille Day in America, where it says "Everybody busted a nut at Clerys". THANK YOU!!

Don't you think its odd that we have to put up with this

"This article is anbbout the French holiday. For the Battlestar Galactica episode, see Bastille Day (Battlestar Galactica). For the song by Rush, see Bastille Day (song)." It shows a daft american influence. We really don;t need this on a page for a historic french day. Who cares about some TV show? Please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvisjnr (talk • contribs) 15:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the above. Why not just a standard "see disambiguation page for other references to Bastille Day"? (unsigned) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.44.45 (talk) 07:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

removed or for the pedantic "Fête de la Fédération"

never heard of. Anthère

me neither - Tarquin 10:47 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Heard of it. Apparently, the origin of the celebration is the anniversary of the Fête de la Fédération on July 14, 1790, which itself commemorated the fall of the Bastille. David.Monniaux 10:47, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

removing also this: " and is similar in some respects to the "Fourth of July" in the United States, and September 16 in Mexico" -- irrelevant US POV -- Tarquin 10:47 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

glad you did it. Thought of doing myself, but did not dare :-) Anthère
Sounds like someone just trying to put it into perspective for other readers (including Mexican citizens, who I notice you -did- give the benefit of the doubt). Jwigton 21:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I just removed this:

"It is also a little known fact that this holiday is celebrated by a small constituent of American who celebrate this grand holiday 4 times a year and an astounding 7 times annually on a leap year. Within this small circle Bastille day is considered to be a more spectacular event then New Years Eve, Halloween and Flag day combined. The spirit of the holiday is one of anger, hostility and animosity and this is typically directed towards all those who one would consider their closest friends on any other day. It is always marked by a nightof drunken debauchery where all those in attendance must bust."

It's incoherent and just smacks of someone messing around. If there is something actually to it, I'd be glad to see it back with a bit better writing.

Beetlecat (talk) 18:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thatcher

The Thatcher quote is actually kind of marvelous, but does anyone have a citation for it? -- Jmabel | Talk 01:19, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

  • FWIW, a search on "Thatcher" + "Bastille" quickly shows many web sites that indicate that she said this at the time of the 200th anniversary of the Storming of the Bastille, but none of the first few look any more authoritative than us (blogs, etc.). Is someone interested in taking the time to find something solid? -- Jmabel | Talk 20:26, July 16, 2005 (UTC)

It may not be an exact quote but there was definitely a large amount of uproar when Thatcher made some factually accurate but provocative statements at the time of the 200th anniversary celebrations. Someone in the UK ( I am not in the UK ) needs to go to a library and trudge through historical newspaper cuttings from this time. From memory she also said that the UK had the Magna Carta hundreds of years before the French fundamental human rights declaration. Come to think of it, perhaps she's right, why don't the French celebrate the declaration or other meaningful events of their revolution rather than the release of prisoners from the Bastille ? She is also supposed to have placed a portrait of Admiral Lord Nelson on the wall behind Mitterands chair ( which he is said to have noticed due to its prominence ) during a formal lunch at Downing Street.

The French do not celebrate the "release of prisoners from the Bastille" (there were very few of them, about 7, and they were either madmen or actual criminals). What is celebrated is the 1790 Fête de la Fédération, which was a politically significant event. Rama 11:08, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
If Bastille Day is about celebrating the 1790 Fête de la Fédération, then I think this article could be expanded to explain what the Fête was. All we know so far is the original date, and that it has apparent significance. The article Fête de la Fédération redirects to Bastille Day. It's perhaps interesting to note that whilst many people worldwide associate Bastille Day with the Bastille storming, it seems that few know what it is that's being celebrated. I wonder if this view of mine is widespread: I think it certainly is outside of France, but inside France too, does the average person in the populace at large know what their national holiday celebrates, I wonder.
  • I have now translated ( Babelfish ) the French wikipedia article on the Fete...it says that it needs expanding admittedly, but it says that most French believe that they celebrate the Bastille storming, not the Fete. Also, it says that the Fete was basically a bit of a big party, and the most significant event of the day was the announcement of the restoration of the French monarchy, albeit as a constitutional monarchy. I think this English wikipedia article needs more serious work done on it, as there must be more to what the French celebrate than this. Does France, that most proud of replublican countries, really celebrate the day on which a party was held to celebrate the storming of the Bastille and the monarchy was restored ? There must be more to it than this....or is there ?

The Monarchy was not restored on the 14 July 1790; at that date, the monarchy had never ceased to exist. This feast was set to mark the improvements made over one year toward a national reconciliation, after the storming of the Bastille itself and the political fights between tenants of a strict "godly-Right monarchy" (monarchie de Droit divin) and those favouring a constitutional monarchy closer to that of England, for instance. At this time, republicans were a tiny minority. Only after the king's treason toward the nation did Republic become a mainstream value in some parts of France and notably Paris (in the South, people would have favoured a federal state rather than a centralised Republic, and in Vendea and in the East were numerous nostalgic of the monarchy). Rama 06:31, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Fête de la Fédération

I have turned Fête de la Fédération into a stand-alone article with a quick-and-dirty draft, I hope that this might help a little bit. Rama 08:30, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

By the way, there was already a stub about this, by the name "Champs-de-Mars Federation". I merged and made it into a redirect. Rama 08:38, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

I like the quick-and-dirty draft you've just knocked up - the most comprehensive quick-and-dirty work I have seen in a long time. It seems that there is universal confusion as to what Bastille Day ( as us English speakers incorrectly label it ) is for, amongst the general French population too, according to the French wikipedia article on the Bastille.

Yes, it is correct that the the 14th of July is usually associated with the storming of the Bastille, even in France. I suppose that in retrospect, the "Fête de la Fédération" sort of washed away, in the light of the treason of the king and the subsequent wars. Perhaps, if war had not broke out and if Louis XVI had really played by the rules, the feelings would be different now.... (alternative History anyone ? :) ). Rama 09:32, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Storming of the Bastille

There seems to be threads of facts ( and perhaps fiction too ) on the following pages concerning the storming of the Bastille:-

There's a clear case for trimming down or otherwise consolidating this info. For a start, it's transpired that Bastille Day has only a passing association to the actual storming of the Bastille, so the storming write up on this page probably needs migrating elsewhere. Now, who's French and actually knows the facts...

Yes, I would tend to suggest sizing down the part about the storming of the Bastille here. Actually, I would suggest something like:
1) A general introduction
2) Historical background, divided into:
2.a) Some quick hints about the storming of the Bastille, with a "main article here" line
a.b) the same about the Fête de la Fédération
3) The part about how it is usually celebrated (military parade, etc)
4) History of the event itself (like, for instance, particularly remarkable commemorations, how it was celebrated under the Occupation by the Nazis, etc.)
5 and following) The usual "trivia", "see also" and "external links" things.
I'll be busy this week but I might try and lend a hand if this plan (or another one) is agreed upon. Cheers ! Rama 11:05, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism? "Sexual attacks"

Is this for real? -- Coneslayer 17:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Probably vandalism. Certainly improbable and uncited. - Jmabel | Talk 06:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

The "Other references" section

The "Other references" section strikes me as all either off topic (Burke) or trivia that casts no light on the topic (everything else there). Unless someone makes a good case for this section that I'm somehow not grasping, I would like to delete it. - Jmabel | Talk 06:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

It's been five days, no answer, I'll delete. - Jmabel | Talk 05:51, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Garden Partys

Yes, the French president organises a garden party every year but what does the 14 July Elysee Palace Garden Party involve? And who will be invited by the French president? His family? His party colleagues? French generals? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.22.148.109 (talk) 20:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Knights Templar?

"When the crowd (legend says it was organised by descendants of the Knights Templar)..." - I can find no reference to the Knights Templar in the linked article on the Storming of the Bastille. My own knowledge is insufficient, but I would suggest removal of this statement (even though couched as 'legend') as it is uncorroborated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.212.247 (talk) 18:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Bastille Day event

The Bastille Day event has nothing to do with France or its celebration. It was merely named after the date on which it occurred. Should the article mention it perhaps? __meco (talk) 19:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Modern Celebrations

Should the article include a section about the now annual burning of cars by the immigrant population? [1] 173.110.4.106 (talk) 03:51, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

greeting/lack thereof

France is somewhat of an oddity in that the French rarely (you might say customarily never) greet each other with anything like "happy Bastille Day" or "joueux quatorze juillet" on their national holiday, as opposed to most other countries (and even most other holidays in France). I feel this should be mentioned. Francophones take it for granted, but I often see those in cultures other than France wishing people a happy Bastille Day on the 14th and which clearly stems from something of a misconception of French culture. Are there any good articles on this that we can reference from? MarcelB612 (talk) 22:00, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Bastille Day celebrations in other counties

Following reference under "" is true but misleading: Baltimore has a large Bastille Day celebration each year at Petit Louis in the Roland Park area of Baltimore City.

Petit Louis is an actual restaurant in the neighborhood mentioned -- and a very nice one at that! I speak from experience! -- but the "celebration" consists of a special prix fixe menu at that restaurant on that day, and nothing more. The description implies at least an outdoor festival on the grounds, but Petit Louis is in a building shared with several other tenants, with a small parking lot between the building and the street, so there is no room for such a festival. Quelle domage! Cuisine merveilleuse, mais une vraie festivale? Je croix que non. :(

Milwaukee, on the other hand, has a street festival covering several city blocks (the streets are closed), with a replica of the Eiffel Tower standing in one of the closed streets -- and has had this festival since the early to mid-1980s! Vive les tetes de fromage! :P 136.182.2.26 (talk) 23:06, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Possible connection of this day ('Bastille Day') with the 1870 Franco-Prussian war and the 1914-1918 war, including First World War memorials in the UK

In the section entitled 'Military Parade' a statement in relation to the above subject line has been made by myself (20 February 2011, so far not removed, this being a subject which is not I am afraid here still either fully explored or explained and probably never will be, here or anywhere else, not at least under this title, 'Bastille Day'). It is (and has been from the First World War) a politically complicated matter unfortunately and it would seem to be the case, so far as I can make out, that the facts are nowhere down in writing, other of course than in the simple but significant way of the recording of dates in various forms; the theory suggested will not therefore necessarily be confirmed by those at the present time in charge of the Scottish National War Memorial or by any of those involved. It needs however at least in my own opinion quite clearly to be taken into account by anyone interested in European history, given that it has equally clearly at least in my own opinion influenced ceremonies and architecture as from the First World War, in addition to, and relating to, the German motto 'Gott Mit Uns 1870' on both the flag and the miliary uniforms in that war. Peter Judge —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.77.163 (talk) 09:54, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Featured article interest

Is there any interest in collaborating in order to get this article to featured status in time for July 14? We'd have about... 5 days from now, I figure (ready by the 13th).
— V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 14:15, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Bastille Day 2011

I have added an image taken at the Palace of Versailles on Bastille Day 2011, to represent the formal side of the National Day celebrations and balance the festive side that is represented by the fireworks image. Whiteghost.ink 01:15, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Bastille Day

Best holiday ever! wat does signaificants mean??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.238.119.130 (talk) 18:55, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

It commemorates what?

The article says, "It commemorates the 1790 Fête de la Fédération, held on the first anniversary of the storming of the Bastille on 14 July 1789...." To me, this is very strange indeed. It says that the modern holiday is a remembrance, not of the storming of the Bastille, but of a celebration remembering the storming of the Bastille. In other words, the modern holiday is supposed to be a remembrance of a remembrance? I don't think so. I don't think anybody thinks of it that way. Does it not, in fact, directly commemorate the storming of the Bastille? I think this should be fixed. I'm not taking it upon myself to do so, because there may be arguments the other way that should be heard. Poihths (talk) 15:10, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Tour de France

Tour de France is usually on the schedule on Bastille Day. It is often said that French riders are extremely motivated to win on this day. I wonder whether this should be mentioned in the article. Just a minor one is enough.BleuDXXXIV (talk) 12:49, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

This usage, Bastille Day, should be discouraged

The French names for this day, La Fête nationale and, more commonly, Le Quatorze juillet make no reference to the storming of the Bastille. To call it Bastille Day is to misunderstand the reason why this date was chosen. It is certainly the anniversary of the storming of the Bastille but that is not what is being celebrated. Also, it should be stated that the street parties take place on the 13th July. 31.52.25.167 (talk) 13:58, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Le quatorze juillet

... commonly Le quatorze juillet (French pronunciation: ​[lə.ka.tɔʁz.ʒɥiˈjɛ];
the fourteenth of July).

There is a translation error. The French do call it le quatorze juillet, but quatorze means fourteen, not fourteenth, which would be quatorzième. The phrase is the equivalent of the fourteenth of July in English, but the translation of quatorze is incorrect. Perhaps translating it "fourteen July" would be simpler.
☺ Dick Kimball (talk) 11:48, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Could someone define "nudi-rudi"?

Could someone define "nudi-rudi"? The word is not in Wiktionary, nor in any other online dictionary. This word is used in the article, in the paragraph: "...A mass was celebrated by Talleyrand, bishop of Autun. The popular General Lafayette, as captain of the National Guard of Paris and confidant of the king, took his oath to the constitution, followed by King Louis XVI. After the end of the official celebration, the day ended in a huge four-day popular feast and people celebrated with fireworks, as well as fine wine and running nudi-rudi through the streets in order to display their great freedom…" 68.35.173.107 (talk) 02:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Bastille Day Military Parade

Why are there two headlines about the "Bastille Day Military Parade"? – both containing the same information and image of soldier on horseback. Mahanisse (talk) 13:41, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Because very recent edits completely messed up the page - I have now reverted them. Thanks for flagging. Mezigue (talk) 13:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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Le quatorze juillet

... commonly Le quatorze juillet (French pronunciation: ​[lə.ka.tɔʁz.ʒɥiˈjɛ];
the fourteenth of July).

There is a translation error. The French do call it le quatorze juillet, but quatorze means fourteen, not fourteenth, which would be quatorzième. The phrase is the equivalent of the fourteenth of July in English, but the translation of quatorze is incorrect. Perhaps translating it "fourteen July" would be simpler. Oh, and I wouldn't use a capital L.
☺ Dick Kimball (talk) 11:50, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

No, the translation is correct. (There seems to be an extra break in the phonetical bit however.) Mezigue (talk) 15:29, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
The correct transliteration would be the 14 July, but translation entails wording things in an appropriate way for the language that something is translated to. In other words, it's not a literal translation but it is the correct translation. 2602:306:80AB:60D0:2070:2BF1:9212:B7F9 (talk) 15:53, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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Additional Information to the Fête de la Fédération section

Under the Fête de la Fédération sub-header, I added more information about how the festival was created, as well as editing and adding more detailed information about the events of the festival itself. The edits made were to help provide a more complete understanding of how the Fête de la Fédération came to exist, as well as events that occurred on the day of the celebration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcadieux22 (talk • contribs) 15:01, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Additional Information to the Origin of the present celebration section

Under the Origin of the current celebration sub-header, I changed the term "present celebration" to "current celebration" as the wording was slightly confusing and to show that this section explains how Bastille Day was established as a national holiday today. I also included details about other possible dates for the holiday that were debated on, and information about the choice of 14 July by the French government. There were also some edits made to information that was already on the page, in order to provide citations for the information given. The information added was to provide a more in-depth understanding of how Bastille Day came to be the national holiday in France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcadieux22 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

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