Talk:Battle of Gannoruwa

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Former good article nomineeBattle of Gannoruwa was a Warfare good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 7, 2009.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that only 33 Portuguese soldiers survived the 1638 Battle of Gannoruwa, fought between the occupying Portuguese forces and the Sinhalese army?

Some suggestions[edit]

I saw this article in the GAN list. I don't do GA reviews, but I do have a few comments.

First, a map of some sort showing the political divisions of the time is practically a necessity for an article like this. It's nice to know where the battle site is, but that doesn't tell me how much of the island is under Portuguese control, and how much is controlled by others. (The linked articles to the kingdoms could also use such a map.)

Second, I am confused about the use of the word "country". Does it refer to Kandy (which is not under Portuguese control), or the island (which is not then a unified country)? If you mean the whole island, then you should use "island" instead of country; if Kandy, then "the kingdom" or something similar.

Third, if there are articles about the previous attempts to capture Kandy, they should be linked.

Fourth, the aftermath does not say what happens to the Kingdom of Kandy. Does it cease to exist, or does it become some sort of subsidiary state under Dutch control?

I'll also do a little copyediting, if you don't mind. The article is an interesting read. Magic♪piano 13:51, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestions.
    1. I'm working on finding a map. I can create one if there isn't a suitable one.
    2. "Country" does refer to the entire island. Although different parts of it were controlled at the time by different people, it was still one country. There were only different "Kingdoms", and the different rulers seem to have treated the entire island as one country. King Rajainghe II even considered himself the ruler of the whole island, even though he never controlled all of it. I think your suggestion is a better option.
    3. There are no articles about any of the battles that took place earlier (or after). I'm planning to create these in the future, but this will take time and some research. I'm not sure about even what the article names should be right now, so I'm not sure about adding them.
    4. The Kingdom existed until the country was surrendered to the British. The Kingdom did not fight any more battles with the Dutch or the British. I'll include the info about the surrender as soon as I find a good ref.

Thanks again. Your copyedit is welcome :) Chamal talk 14:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This book, if it is in a library near you, might be of use in finding historical maps. (In the US it is mainly in university libraries, according to Worldcat.) Cheers! Magic♪piano 16:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose):

Bad prose style, too many times also. You're repeating yourself. The Portuguese force was almost completely destroyed in the fight that ensued. Approximately 4000 soldiers of the Portuguese force were killed/Rajasinghe eventually made an agreement with the Dutch to drive the Portuguese from the country. As a result, the Portuguese were driven out by the Dutch in 1658

b (MoS):

  1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):

b (citations to reliable sources):

Regional newspapers don't strike me as reliable sources in this case. Please source the story with scientific secondary works and primary sources. It's OK to use foreign language sources, wikipedia has enough people capable of checking material in almost any language.

c (OR):

    • References needed:
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  2. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:

I don't believe everything in this article, so I'm not sure it's free from bias. Portuguese sources are missing. That clearly doesn't help countering bias.

  1. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  2. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  3. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Comments: In Battle of Gannoruwa#Background the reader needs to be introduced to the rivalry between the Dutch and the Portuguese. There were naval encounters and such.

In Battle of Gannoruwa#Provocations you mention the king and the Portuguese confiscating animals and than you say: The Portuguese also killed Rajasinghe's Disawe, a regional officer, of Batticaloa, much to the king's anger. That makes it sound that killing an officer is a minor incident compared to confiscating an elephant or two horses. Such a theses needs to highlight the worth of human life in this country with a bit more background information. The other posibility is, you change it so the killing of the officer(directly under the king's command!) is the more serious provocation.

Battle of Gannoruwa#Preparations You mention that the Portuguese were under the command of Fernao de Mendoca Furtado, the nephew and son in law of Mello. Portugal was a VERY Christian country. Such a liaison defies the Catholic church's legislation against incest. Please do provide a reliable source for that claim.

Battle of Gannoruwa#The king's vow needs to be expanded. Was he superstitious and thinking of it as an omen? Tell the reader more about the belief of the Sinhalese.

Battle of Gannoruwa#Battle makes the reader wonder and is hard to believe. They swiftly surrounded an army with heavy artillery? Before the Portuguese troops could reach the high ground at Kiriwat Talawa, the Sinhalese army surrounded them and opened fire with their heavy guns, including jingals. You can make this right from the start and introduce the arms and warfare of the different factions. Take a look at Battle of Artemisium or Battle of Plataea for comparison. Wandalstouring (talk) 18:40, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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