Talk:Battle of Gedo

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Move to Battle of Gedo. The article needs work, but as there's currently no article titled "Battle of Gedo" a parenthetical isn't necessary. Cúchullain t/c 16:19, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Gedo (2011-2013) → ? – Battle of Gedo (2011) has been moved to Battle of Gedo (2011-2013). Can one battle really last for 2 years? This article seems to be about a series of battles, and should probably be split up into "Battle of Gedo (2011)", "Battle of Gedo (2012)" and "Battle of Gedo (2013)". Presumably "(2011)" was there in the first place to differentiate the 2011 battle from other ones, but at the time there was no need for disambiguation (i.e. no other articles with "Battle of Gedo" in their name). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 01:56, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alternately, drop the disambiguation so it's just "Battle of Gedo" but, again, this seems to cover more than one battle. (Also, I've added {{Requested move}} to this section.) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 16:30, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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There's a big difference in saying that there is a Battle of Gedo that is ongoing and saying that there is ongoing fighting in Gedo. Based on the information in the article, it looks like there was a battle in April and May 2011. I'm not sure the events of late 2012 and January 2013 really qualify as part of the same battle. Notably, there seem to be very few sources that actually discuss the existence of a Battle of Gedo. See "battle of gedo" -wikipedia, which still seems to contain significant amounts of derivative content from here. My first impulse is to try to consolidate the 2011 information as a description of the battle and discuss the rest in terms of an aftermath section. I almost think this could be a hoax. Many of the reflinks are dead. But it's probably more likely that this involves OR/SYN to describe a discreet battle in an area where there's just ongoing violence. Thoughts? --BDD (talk) 17:23, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There indeed wasn't a singular Battle of Gedo, as that is a region with many cities, towns and hamlets. The article seems to be on the drive by the Somali authorities and their allies to capture the various settlements in Gedo from the Al-Shabaab militants. This military campaign appears to be almost over. The links for their part can be updated using the Wayback Machine. Middayexpress (talk) 17:56, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a more generic name such Gedo during Somali civil war (in the same way there are "bombing of city name during World War II" articles) would be appropiate. It would avoid the lack of authoritive destinction between "Battle of Gedo" and "battle in Gedo". GraemeLeggett (talk) 15:30, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The page only seems to discuss the campaign against Al-Shabaab. Battle for Gedo would perhaps therefore be a more appropriate title, as in Battle for Lake Tanganyika. Middayexpress (talk) 15:44, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That still seems like WP:OR if no one else is discussing the events as part of a single battle. Gedo in the Somali Civil War sounds like a good idea, though. --BDD (talk) 16:07, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Gedo in the civil war" doesn't work because this article is only about a specific, later portion of the civil war beginning in 2009 and involving Al-Shabaab. Middayexpress (talk) 16:38, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There's no reason it couldn't be expanded, though, is there? Sometimes renaming can encourage such expansion. --BDD (talk) 17:46, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That would be well outside the scope of this article and its contents. Per the lede, "the Battle of Gedo is an ongoing conflict of the 2009– phase of the Somali Civil War. Centered in the region of Gedo, it pits the Somali government and its allies against the al-Qaeda-aligned militant group Al-Shabaab." The battle for Gedo is also almost over, as the Somali authorities and their allies are closing in on Bardera, Al-Shabaab's last remaining stronghold in the region (c.f [1]). Middayexpress (talk) 18:55, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
But I thought we're saying there wasn't an actual Battle of Gedo as described in the lede. Isn't that what you said in the first reply to my original comment? --BDD (talk) 18:56, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I wrote the battle for Gedo is almost over. Middayexpress (talk) 19:12, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I meant the "There indeed wasn't a singular Battle of Gedo" comment. But if you think an article on the region in the civil war is impractical, that's another thing. --BDD (talk) 20:35, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I guess that leaves us at no consensus. If anyone's interested in picking this up again, let me know. --BDD (talk) 21:51, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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