Talk:Battle of Xiaoyao Ford

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Three Kingdoms, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Three Kingdoms on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Three KingdomsWikipedia:WikiProject Three KingdomsTemplate:WikiProject Three KingdomsThree Kingdoms articles

High

This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale.

To-do list:

Here are some open WikiProject Three Kingdoms tasks:

Meta-tasks:
- Place the {{WP3K}} template on the talk page of articles within the scope of this project.
- Get pictures for the infoboxes of the 3K people.
- Add references to the articles.

Start an article:
- Article requests

Improvement Drive
- Segregate fact and fiction for all biography and history articles.

Feel free to edit this list or discuss these tasks.

(edit)

China Low‑importance

	China portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject China, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of China related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChinaWikipedia:WikiProject ChinaTemplate:WikiProject ChinaChina-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Military history: Asian / Chinese

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion not met Coverage and accuracy: criterion not met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion not met

Associated task forces:
/
	Asian military history task force
	Chinese military history task force

Rename the article?[edit]

I am just wondering should we rename the article as "Campaign of Hefei citadel"? I perceive the "battle of Leisure Ford" as a single battle fought at the northern shore of the ford (also the last part and climax of this dramatic campaign). But I think the current name is one that can avoid confusion, though.

EkmanLi (talk) 23:44, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Army strength[edit]

Also I notice the army strength is quite hard to determine, so I made some changes to it. But do note that not all forces in the district must participate in melee conflicts. And Zhang Liao wouldn't only have 7,000 men (unless we assume CC didn't make any adjustment to the defensive structure of the region AND he prohibited the defensive force to recruit anyone from the military families during Zhang Liao's 7-year stay in the area prior to 215.) Especially, in 214, Sun Quan had conquered Cao Cao's Huan city, so it would be illogical for Cao Cao to not send reinforcements to Zhang Liao in the frontline.

EkmanLi (talk) 23:51, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Casualty[edit]

I had given out est # for the casualty. Note the # reflects the determinable and lower-bound casualty only.

EkmanLi (talk) 00:03, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Battle of Xiaoyao Ford[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Battle of Xiaoyao Ford's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "SGZ Volume 17":

From Zhang Liao: Chen Shou. Records of Three Kingdoms, Volume 17, Biography of Zhang Liao.
From Battle of Fancheng: Chen Shou. Records of Three Kingdoms, Volume 17, Biographies of Zhang, Yue, Yu, Zhang, and Xu.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 06:12, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Inline citation related to the stated ref is given.----EkmanLi (talk) 07:04, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

皖城[edit]

I checked and found that 皖 can be read as either wǎn or huàn. Which do you think is the correct one? I think it'll be good to use Huancheng to avoid confusion with Wancheng (宛城). Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) _{contact me (聯絡)} 07:15, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

De Crespigny uses Huan. _dk (talk) 09:26, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Xu Sheng[edit]

From the records I could gather, I am convinced Xu Sheng was riding a chariot at the time. Although chariots had retired from military usage for sometime, some nobles or weathier generals still rode them. In Xu's case, it is more possible that he rode a chariot than a horse based on the fact he was wielding an approximately 474 cm long weapon. (And it's because of its obvious length was He Qi able to retrieve it). ----EkmanLi (talk) 21:47, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]