Talk:Bei Bei Shuai

This article was nominated for deletion on 19 July 2012. The result of the discussion was snow keep.

A fact from Bei Bei Shuai appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 19 July 2012 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Bei Bei Shuai, a Chinese immigrant to the U.S., is charged with murder because the child she was pregnant with died as a result of her suicide attempt?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2012/July. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bei Bei Shuai.

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I'm a curious passer-by, but why is this page being considered for deletion?[edit]

Sorry to bother you, but of all the articles that were under the "did you know" section today, I read this one first because it touches a topic I care about-sort of the pro-life vs. pro-choice one and how each side is pushing things legally. I found this article interesting and informative, and I don't get why it's being put up for deletion. I don't see what is wrong with the article, that would make its deletion necessary. Update and edit as things progress, yeah..but why delete? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelidimari (talk • contribs) 12:55, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Because one editor was of the opinion - I disagree with him - that the article violates an inclusion rule of Wikipedia that you can find at WP:BLP1E. You can contribute to the discussion about this at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bei Bei Shuai. Sandstein 13:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move? 2012[edit]

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Should this be moved to Prosecution of Bei Bei Shuai or something of the sort? Discuss. -- Y not? 13:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I think it should. This is more about the case and its ramifications than about her person. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 13:32, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Or State of Indiana v. Bei Bei Shuai. -- Y not? 20:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't worry too much about the formalities of the caption. Case against Bei Bei Shuai will do fine. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 20:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Formalities do matter some: "State of Indiana v. Bei Bei Shuai" is in line with the standard way we present landmark judicial cases on wikipedia. complainer (talk) 10:52, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is, if there isn't an active case right now, then we can't be certain that it'll be the State of Indiana prosecuting per se. Silver seren^C 01:24, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are the only person who dismissed the concerns in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bei Bei Shuai. Nobody else agrees with you.

This is a pretty clear-cut WP:BLP1E to me... but I could be wrong. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 09:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The case itself is certainly notable, and certainly ought to be covered in Wikipedia. Wikipedia policy in murder/attempted murder cases is normally to have the article at Murder of ''(victim name)'' - as it's the case that's notable, not the person - but as ~~the 'victim' in this case had no name, that's not possible~~. Mogism (talk) 09:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The notability for the article is clearly articulated in the Legal context section. Now, I do think a rename would be appropriate, but I am just as perplexed as Mogism on what it could possibly be changed to.
What about Bei Bei Shuai case as a title?
You probably mean Case of Bei Bei Shuai? Meh, it's possible, but an argument can be made that the reporting is not only about her legal case but also about her as a person, e.g., her history and identity as a Chinese immigrant. In such cases, I find it more congenial to present the topic in the form of a biography, but that can change depending on what the focus of subsequent coverage is. Sandstein 09:37, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. There is certainly enough notability. It might be more appropriate to name the article for the court case - but there hasn't been a court case yet. Maproom (talk) 13:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Moved (1) 3 February 2015[edit]

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I moved this article form Bei Bei Shuai to State of Indiana v. Bei Bei Shuai. I selected the new name based on https://www.aclu.org/reproductive-freedom/state-indiana-v-bei-bei-shuai. Letuño (talk) 21:57, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved it back - this was discussed briefly in the AfD, but the BLP1E concerns were dismissed there, and anyway the article is not written as a case article, so this title would be confusing to readers. Sandstein 22:10, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Currently the article is about the legal case. There is nothing about her history and identity as a Chinese immigrant. Letuño (talk) 22:36, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move (2) 3 February 2015[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. No support for either suggested move. Number 5 7 22:22, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bei Bei Shuai → State of Indiana v. Bei Bei Shuai – WP:BLP1E. For the new name see https://www.aclu.org/reproductive-freedom/state-indiana-v-bei-bei-shuai. See the talk page and the request for deletion. Letuño (talk) 22:21, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That could make sense if the article is also rewritten to actually read like an article about the case, with {{Infobox court case}} and per WP:MOSLAW. Otherwise the name change, on its own, would be confusing. Sandstein 22:33, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Currently the article is about the legal case. There is nothing about her history and identity as a Chinese immigrant. Letuño (talk) 22:36, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Several other names have been proposed, so that {{Infobox US court case}} is not needed. Even you proposed Case of Bei Bei Shuai. Letuño (talk) 22:46, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move (3) 3 February 2015[edit]

Bei Bei Shuai → Case of Bei Bei Shuai – Sandstein doesn't like State of Indiana v. Bei Bei Shuai and he proposed Case of Bei Bei Shuai Letuño (talk) 22:52, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, if the article is to be moved to a case name, then State of Indiana v. Bei Bei Shuai seems to be the better choice, but as I said above it would have to be rewritten to look like a case article. Only one move request should be made at a time. Sandstein 22:57, 3 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Little Fires Everywhere[edit]

It seems that the NYT-Bestseller Little Fires Everywhere by Celeste Ng borrowed strongly from this case for the character of Bei Bei Chow; I only have one source right now (https://www.barnesandnoble.com/review/little-fires-everywhere) having not read more broadly, but I think this may merit further research and addition to the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeldahime (talk • contribs) 09:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]