Talk:Belarusian nationalism

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NPOV[edit]

This article needs to be cleaned up and expanded as it presently feels quite biased in favour of Lukashenka (describing him as an 'anti-nationalist' with no context) and providing a solely negative view of Belarusian nationalism without reference to current events. Arianna the First (talk) 20:55, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In the current form, the article portrays all Belarusan nation-building as nationalism in its negative form. It is a biased, extreme view. The article is being used by activist editors throughout Wikipedia to attack the idea of the Belarusian national identity or history. It need a major revision. Nieszczarda2 (talk) 10:11, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I absolutely agree, this article exposes the Belarusian national identity as a "pseudo-historical theory" Susjaj (talk) 23:02, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Questionable and biased article.[edit]

Much of the content of this article seems anti-Belarusian and very questionable historically. 2600:8805:5C01:C500:B860:57FD:6269:26C (talk) 11:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nationalists were also opposed by the local intellectuals[edit]

I don't see source supporting this addition [1] Nationalists were also opposed by the local intellectuals of peasant and clerical origins; those who were not rooted in the old Polonized aristocracy or gentry. These intellectuals are referred to as West-Rusists or Westrussianists. , can @RusHistorian please provide confirming quote? Thanks. Manyareasexpert (talk) 22:37, 27 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Westrussianists were a well-known group of indigenous intellectuals from Belarus. This topic is not covered well in English. Here is a complete article:

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Западнорусизм RusHistorian (talk) 06:54, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While I am not listing a direct quote as you requested, I provided the following references:

1. I linked the Russian language article on Westrussianists in the text. An English article on the topic does not exist. Readers can go to the link and translate the article if they desire to delve deeper into that topic.

2. I cited a lecture on the subject of Westrussianism from an academic conference. If you are familiar with the institution it occurred at, you would know that they are not Russophiles or pro-Russian by any stretch of the imagination.

Additionally, numerous Westrussianist intellectuals are listed in the article that I linked (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Западнорусизм) under "Представители западнорусизма". Their individual Wikipedia articles are linked in that article. If there is any question as to their biographies, readers can check their respective articles. RusHistorian (talk) 19:25, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please give exact place where others can check your Nationalists were also opposed by the local intellectuals of peasant and clerical origins; those who were not rooted in the old Polonized aristocracy or gentry for correctness. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just did give an exact place. Did you read what I wrote and linked? Multiple biographies of the intellectuals in question. RusHistorian (talk) 05:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a link to a reliable source and a specific place within it confirming your text. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 09:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just linked Wikipedia articles, written with all of the editorial policies and references that are normative. You're saying that they're not based on reliable sources? If there is any question about the Westrussianist intellectuals in the statement you quoted above, a reader can easily look at the article on Westrussianism and at their individual linked articles within. They would note the early life of each Westrussianist intellectual. If there is any question about the pre-revolutionary Belarusian nationalists, they are already mentioned within this very article, as well as the article on the January Uprising. Furthermore, readers can also look at the Russian and Belarusian language versions of articles for individuals such as Francisak Bahusevic (who is listed as being of szlachta background) and see more details.

Citations 14 and 21 at the end of the sentence following the statement that you quoted support what I wrote. Reference 21 even talks about Solonevich's origins saying he was a "peasant." Am I supposed to list those citations at the end of both sentences?

Do you expect every line of text in an encyclopedia article to rephrase a single direct quote? Is that how encyclopedia articles are written? Are these articles not condensed statements summarizing large bodies of knowledge? RusHistorian (talk) 16:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citations 14 and 21 at the end of the sentence following the statement that you quoted support what I wrote. Reference 21 even talks about Solonevich's origins saying he was a "peasant."
— User:RusHistorian 16:31, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Source 14 History Of Belarus In The Russian Empire - About History (about-history.com) contain nothing on Nationalism
Source 21 is 20 min youtube vid, please provide timing where others can check if it confirms your contribution. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 16:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citation 14: "Among the Orthodox population, the ideology of Western Russianism was gaining more and more popularity, according to which Belaya Rus was interpreted as Western Russia, and Belarusians are an integral part of the triune Russian people. This idea was carried out, among others, by the Bulletin of South-Western and Western Russia, which began to appear in 1862 under the editorship of Xenophon Govorsky. Among historians, the concept of Western Russianism was developed by Mikhail Koyalovich."

Citation 21 Video: 2:20

Okay, I understand that you don't want to watch the video for 20 minutes, so I provided the time. The article that is cited, however, which you claimed did not contain anything on nationalism, clearly does. Your claim was proven false. It's not even that long of an article, I don't know how you could have missed the paragraph. I question your sincerity. RusHistorian (talk) 19:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]