Talk:Bell Oionus I

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The Oionus I had its origins in March 1909 when Alexander Graham Bell hired both "Casey Baldwin" as an engineer and J.A.D. McCurdy as assistant engineer to build the last of Bell's designs, PRIOR to the formation of the Canadian Aerodrome Company. The only designs attributed to the CAC are the Baddeck No. 1 and No. 2 as copies of the AEA Silver Dart. The only other CAC project was a commission from Bell's son in law that resulted in the Hubbard Monoplane. See Molson and Taylor 1982, p. 103, Payne 2006, p. 194 and Milberry 2008, p. 73. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 03:06, 15 May 2012 (UTC).[reply]

According to A. Roy Petrie's Alexander Graham Bell (pg. 61) the CAC built the Oionus. This is supported by the Canadian Aviation and Space Museum.[1] Tchaliburton (talk) 03:26, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the references I have provided, I think the plane should be listed as manufactured by the Canadian Aerodrome Company -- but I'm seeking a third opinion. Tchaliburton (talk) 03:38, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here's three: Molson and Taylor 1982, p. 103, Payne 2006, p. 194 and Milberry 2008, p. 73. Seriously, Stephen Payne is the CURATOR of the Canada Aviation and Space Museum (the Canadian Aviation and Space Museum is the recently closed museum in Toronto, not the one you want), while Ken Molson and Harold Taylor are the deans of Canadian aviation history producing the landmark, Canadian Aircraft since 1909 and Larry Milberry is the most prolific Canadian aviation author and historian Canada has ever known. All of these experts agree. Not to disparage A. Roy Petrie, but he wrote a children's book on Alexander Graham Bell, not even close to being authoritative, if that is the Alexander Graham Bell (The Canadians series) (1989) that I am thinking is the basis of this error. The Canada Aviation and Space Museum website is also just what it is, a website, sometimes right, sometimes not so much. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 03:52, 15 May 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Alright, I think you're in the right here. Tchaliburton (talk) 04:02, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the timeline: Following the death of Lt Thomas Selfridge and with Glenn Curtiss leaving the group, the AEA began to dissolve. Curtiss wanted to begin a manufacturing enterprise at his Hammondsport, New York workshops, buying the patent rights to the AEA Aerodrome No. 3. On 17 March 1909, the previous Cygnet IIII kite-plane fails to fly and with the failure of the last Bell design, the AEA, by then only consisting of Bell, Baldwin and McCurdy, dissolved at the end of March 1909. Shortly after, Bell extended a commission to Baldwin and McCurdy to create and construct one of his kite-based designs, which ended up becoming the Oionus I, commonly referred to as the Bell Oionus I. With the loan of the Kite House and use of his Laboratory and even financial help, Bell still was a benefactor for Baldwin and McCurdy. Like Curtiss who had taken the lead in design work on the AEA Aerodrome No. 3 McCurdy had been the lead designer of the AEA Aerodrome No. 4 (The Silver Dart) and with Baldwin, obtained the rights to his design for manufacture from Bell. Prior to the formation of their Canadian Aerodrome Company which is variously recorded as April 1909 and merely spring 1909, the Oionus I was their only project, but when they began to make copies of the Silver Dart, the Baddeck No. 1 and No. 2 became the company's first products. The only other commission given to the CAC was through Bell's son in law, that would become the Hubbard Monoplane. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 04:26, 15 May 2012 (UTC).[reply]

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