Talk:Benjamin Franklin College
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Controversy Section[edit]
Someone should definitely include a section on the student protest. A cursory search of the Yale Daily News website will find suitable articles and images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newyorkerguy (talk • contribs) 02:53, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- We need better sources than the YDN czar 03:20, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
- Most of the coverage is on the November protests. The April protests were mainly about the Calhoun decision.[1][2] The Franklin stuff is almost an aside. czar 03:29, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
Propose to move to Benjamin Franklin College (Yale University)[edit]
Everything that has come out since the two colleges were named suggests that this college is going to carry first-and-last names (like Ezra Stiles and Jonathan Edwards) and not last-only (like Berkeley and Calhoun). See today's release on the naming of the first heads-of-college. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:20, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- The common name and the official name don't have to necessarily be the same. We go by what the sources use most often. If sources like the NYT and other major outlets use one more than the other then we'd have our answer. czar 19:22, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- I take your point. I guess in any event, this is all a work in progress. The references from the Washington Post and the Yale Daily News use "Franklin College". The New York Times doesn't name that college at all, but does use Murray college. (Nevertheless, the article here is called Pauli Murray College.) And those are all references from the first day or two, while things are still in the process of shaking down.
- In the end, I imagine that campus practice is going to end up deciding the matter. In the meanwhile, I suggest the following:
- Based on the current (skimpy) sources, maybe we don't change the name of the article yet.
- Based on the apparent official name, the lede should start Benjamin Franklin College ...
- Based on the apparent official name, the red link above should be turned into a redirect.
- If it becomes clear in the next year or three that the WP:COMMONNAME is settling on "Benjamin Franklin", we'll move the page later.
- Reasonable? StevenJ81 (talk) 19:49, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
- The Murray article was also changed without consensus—I just didn't press it. If you have enough sources for its shorter name, we should use that. The rest of your logic sounds good to me czar 00:05, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
- I'm going to edit this article along the lines above. Frankly, I don't think there are "enough reliable sources" to have established a real WP:COMMONNAME right now at all, for either college. I would therefore have been inclined to use the apparent official name in both cases. But I don't feel strongly about it, and as long as each college's "short name" and "long name" are both connected to an actual article at least by a redirect, I'm fine for now. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:53, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
- The Murray article was also changed without consensus—I just didn't press it. If you have enough sources for its shorter name, we should use that. The rest of your logic sounds good to me czar 00:05, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
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