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Biography assessment rating comment

WikiProject Biography Assessment Drive

Narrowly a B-Class - This could use citations and more references, not to mention further expansion.

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 02:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Military career

I live in the town where BN went to high school. The story told here is that BN went to Israel during part of his senior year of high school to participate in some military episode. Obviously I don't have the whole story, but it seems like something the article should cover. ike9898 22:14, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

While He Was Prime Minister

It shoudl also be included that there was Israeli terrorist attacks at this same time. The Goldstein guy who killed all of the praying Muslims, among others.

Perhaps a brief discussion of his response to Israeli terrorism would be worthwhile... Otherwise, I don't know what you would like to include. There are plenty of reasons to dislike Bibi, but he should not be equated with Kahanist lunatics. --(Mingus ah um 20:33, 16 April 2006 (UTC))
Cave of the Patriarchs massacre was in February 25, 1994, as Yitzhak Rabin was prime minister Artist (talk) 09:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: The 2006 Election

This article only has one sentence dedicatated to the recent election: In the March 2006 Knesset elections Likud shared the third and the fourth places with Shas, behind Kadima and Labor. This should clearly be expanded to include a discussion of the details of Likud's (that is, Bibi's) platform, as well as a discussion of Bibi's post-election fall from grace. --(Mingus ah um 20:44, 16 April 2006 (UTC))

Why is this happening to my edits?

I inserted the following, cited by "JewsAgainstTheOccupation" and (badly) sourced to Ha'aretz and it was summararily reverted, even though the details are well known.

Is it too much to ask that we be free to quote Israeli politicians in their biographies, even if their words are deeply embarrassing to Zionists? Ha'aretz editorial for 10 Dec 2003 [1] (Ha'aretz articles seem to move around, but it's there Nov 2006 and was also cited by JewishVoiceForPeace.org)

In his address Wednesday at the Herzliya Conference, Netanyahu said, "We have a demographic problem, but it lies not with the Palestinian Arabs, but with the Israeli Arabs." ........ "if Israel's Arabs become well integrated and reach 35-45 percent of the population, there will no longer be a Jewish state," and that even if they reach a lesser proportion, "this will also undermine the [state's] democratic fabric."
And Ha'aretz 18 Dec 2003 (according to [2] by Yair Ettinger, Haaretz Correspondent, and Haaretz Staff), member of the Knesset Azmi Bishara commented: "the scandal lies in the fact that this is the only country that speaks of millions of people, who are natives not immigrants, as a demographic problem."
"Describing the original residents of this land as a demographic problem would be considered racism in any normal, or even abnormal, country." He added.
Maybe those edits were too unsavory for Zionpedia editors?222.151.136.142 (talk) 02:06, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
yes it is too much to ask or do in public. the last thing jews need is a public cleaning of laundry. jews leading the attack on jews is not helpful. as a jew israeli and mother i think we should try to remember that the holocaust is only a while ago and antisemitism is a mile ago. the road to hell is paved with your good intentions raquel samper jewish comm murcia spain comunidad judia españa
I have moved your comments so they appear below earlier comments. Putting them in the midst of someone else's writing creates confusion. Also, please sign and date your talk page messages by typing four tildes (four of these: ~). Hertz1888 (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

"jews leading the attack on jews is not helpful" So according to this contributor we should not seek to make an accurate and objective account of this man because it would have a negative impact on Jews. Is this the position of the authors? Really, if wikipedia articles are to mean anything they should dismiss such POVs. If these quotes are accurate, surely they should be included regardless of whether they have a positive or negative impact on the man's public image. Micielo (talk) 14:40, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Glen Beck Interview

The little snippet about it seems a bit biased.

I honestly can't write to save my life, but the interview was all about the fact how radical muslims are inferior -- he makes sense of it by calling them out to be violent and hence primitive.

It also circuits on YouTube. Are we allowed to link it to YouTube? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.39.201.190 (talk) 10:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC).

I erased an admittedly untrue allegation

I erased an allegation that has been denied by "Yediot ahronot", the newspaper that was the supposed source of it. The paper admitted that Netanyahu`s alledged comment about seeing British soldiers (while he was born after the establishment of Israel) was the result of an editing error; Netanyahu simply said that he had seen military camps that had once belonged to the British Army. Asalmog 14:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Likud conservative?

They are a libertarian right-wing party (mostly in regard to economics and the mess with the arabs) they are rather liberal or centrist in everything else .

they are also not conservative in the sense of change , since that one would belong to the mapai , later labor party. who have been dominant for most of the knessets

What is Likud's position on gay rights, compared to Kadima's position?66.65.129.159 (talk) 01:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Sex scandals

It seems odd to me that the extra-marital affair(s) attributed to Netanyahu (and, on at least one occasion, publicly confessed by him) are not mentioned in the "controversies" section. Perhaps this just needs to be expanded. See:

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9605/31/netanyahu.profile/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9607/07/israel.first.family/index.html

Springreturning 05:41, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Controversies, Haaretz quote

There seems to be something of an edit-war regarding the paragraph:

In April 2008, Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv reported that Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan University that the September 11, 2001 terror attacks had had one positive outcome for Israel: "We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq," adding that these events "swung American public opinion in our favor."[1]

Calling the source (Haaretz) a "tabloid" or the article a "hack piece" isn't an argument. If you think the quote lacks context, add context instead of just deleting it.

Please discuss whatever grievances you have here before reverting again.

Cheers, pedrito - talk - 05.05.2008 07:04

Agreed. If the IPs have some legitimate concerns about the statements, please discuss them. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 09:47, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Ha'aretz isn't a tabloid, though they can hardly be called politically neutral on the subject of this article. That being said, is that passage really necessary? --Relata refero (disp.) 14:28, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
I added the paragraph to Reactions to the September 11, 2001 attacks#Benjamin Netanyahu statement. Imad marie (talk) 11:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
No, this isn't necessary. The Haaretz report doesn't even label this as a controversy. It received virtually no media attention at all and does not provide for a better understanding of who Netanyahu is. I say it should be removed per WP:Undue weight. --GHcool (talk) 20:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


The entire content of this section, as it currently stands, is inappropriate. The first "controversy" is around the event, not Netanyahu's participation in it, which is tangential to the story being reported. The second "controversy" is not labeled as such by the source. If anything, this section should include the extramarital affair mentioned in the section above - that's the only thing that canbe labeled a "contorvery". Canadian Monkey (talk) 00:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I've fixed the heading to better reflect the content. Cheers, pedrito - talk - 13.05.2008 06:36
well, that didn't "fix" anything - it just highlights how inappropriate that section is. Netanyahu did not make any statements at the event mentioned in the first paragraph, let alone “controversial” ones. As to the second paragraph – which reliable source has referred to these statements as “controversial”? Canadian Monkey (talk) 16:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

References

I think that is great to improve this article (I'm just improving this article on Czech wikipedia) but I miss here references. Could someone add them?--Faigl.ladislav (talk) 23:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Campaign website "inspired" by Obama's

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/15/world/middleeast/15bibi.html -- worth incorporating? 78.34.142.114 (talk) 04:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Possible External Link

Suggest the following as a new external link: 

   http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275466964911679.html

Other Hand (talk) 00:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

UNDUE on the Nazi stuff

Considering his life and career, an entire section devoted to a few comments about Iran seems pretty out of balance. Unless there are objections, I'd say it should be seriously condensed and moved under the appropriate chronological section. Otherwise, there should be a distinct political views section. Joshdboz (talk) 19:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think his views on Iran are pretty notable, as well as his policy towards the Islamic republic. If anything, I think the section should be generalized to reflect that, and nto just be focussed on the Nazi comparison.VR talk 20:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Why is Netanyahu called Bibi?

I've noticed that in several articles in Israeli news sources, and came to wikipedia to find the answer, but I didn't. I think its important for any wiki article to list alternative names (with a brief explanation) of the subject.VR talk 20:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed (see article). The Squicks (talk) 00:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Old comments

Can't we do better than this? There's a huge wealth of information on Netanyahu, but almost nothing on this page. He was PM of Israel during the Internet age, for Gods sake! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ostritch (talk • contribs) 12:08, 26 September 2003 (UTC)

Ha, you are complaining the article is weak. Why don't you jump on the pan and fix what you think is missing. Note, I am just responding because you are a little too vocal. Be a little more meek when seeking free assistance—Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.30.202.28 (talk) 00:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Can we put this in about a person still alive?:
"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories." Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, tells students at Bar Ilan University. Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.—Preceding unsigned comment added by PalestineRemembered (talk • contribs) 20:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Translate from Hebrew version

As it is now, this article is little more than stub. The Hebrew version is excellent; if anyone is really fluent in Hebrew, please translate it and replace the English version.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Aniboy2000 (talk • contribs) 19:05, 22 October 2004 (UTC)

Convenient timing

What, nothing in here about the report on poverty and the treasury in the state of Israel? The one slated to be published today, one day after Netanyahu's resignation from the ministry? Not a single local pundit, analyst, or comedian has let this uncanny "coincidence" slide. It's context that can't be omitted. I think simply stating that Netanyahu suddenly, much-belatedly decided to resign "for ideological reasons" compromises this entry's NPOV.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.210.95 (talk) 11:45, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Update: Well, the report is in, and Israel is apparently the lowest ranked in the Western world, by whatever statistical measures they're using. Pity I know absolutely nothing about the financial specifics, nor even about what is officially classified as "the Western world". At any rate, the local media are having a field day. I don't suppose anyone here knows any of the detailed facts? The circumstances surrounding Netanyahu's resignation are clearly pertinent to this mini-bio.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.64.210.95 (talk) 14:46, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Yet, israel recieves between 10-15 million u.s. dollars a day.Can anyone tell us why the zionist ,not jewish, should take more revenue that any other country in the history of the U.S.A.? We,Americans, have not had an opportunity to deciede where our money goes.U.S.A. is also an occupied territoy of israel,it has a zionist majority.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.194.161 (talk) 15:42, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Teaser about his marriage

I like the teaser about his marriage, but where is the link to click to get the answer?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Fal atar (talk • contribs) 13:27, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


--There is none. It was speculations.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.39.201.190 (talk) 10:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

-- What teaser? Where is it?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.156.174 (talk) 03:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

From Mitt_Romney

After graduation from Harvard Business School, Romney went to work for The Boston Consulting Group, where he had been a summer intern in 1974. At BCG Romney worked with recent MIT graduate and future Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Gkklein (talk • contribs) 18:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


Expansion

He was Prime Minister for three years, yet the article contains only a small paragraph about what he did during that time and solely concerning his relations with the Palestinians and the peace process. In fact most of the Prime Minister section concerns his election, not his tenure.Furthermore the article does not go into great detail about his policies towards the Palestinians and says nothing about any of his other policies during his tenure. That's why I have tagged this for expansion. Olockers—Preceding undated comment added 12:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

Would Israel's existence have prevented the Holocaust?

"[t]here are those who say that if the Holocaust had not occurred, the State of Israel would never have been established. But I say that if the State of Israel would have been established earlier, the Holocaust would not have occurred."

This comment by Bibi was removed. I feel that this is a very important quote in terms of what Bibi believes and his personal ideas. As a Jew, he said that the lack of a safe homeland directly lead to the deaths of countless members of his people. This, as the JP pointed out, is a rejoiner to what Obama said in Cairo. The Squicks (talk) 00:03, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't necessarily have a problem with it being somewhere, but I am not sure where it belongs. I thought it clearly did not belong where it was. It was sitting in the middle of all this stuff about the peace process and I thought it represented a tangent, or a distraction, or something. I also thought the language calling it a "challenge" to President Obama was a little strong (even if the source did so), especially when on the subject that the section is really about, you find out a few sentences later that a spokesman for the President said the speech was a step in the right direction, or something along those lines. 6SJ7 (talk) 00:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Now I see you put it back. It's a mistake. It's a distraction, in a subsection that already has enough going on just from the subject itself. It needs to go elsewhere, and the "challenge" thing needs to be either taken out or explained better. 6SJ7 (talk) 00:12, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
It is a challange. The source described it as such. I could see moving it somewhere else; where do you suggest? The Squicks (talk) 00:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I see no reason to move it to another section. It is relevant to the "peace process" because it addresses one of the common Arab objections to Israel's existence. Hertz1888 (talk) 02:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
What objection are you talking about, exactly? 6SJ7 (talk) 18:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
this is in the section about his speech, which is where it belongs.untwirl(talk) 04:18, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
  • The source says "he corrected the impression Obama left with his Cairo address on June 4". He made the statement in opposition to Obama according to the source. So, I reverted 6SJ7's change. I also changed the wording from "challenge" to "response" since the former may seem too overly emotive language. The Squicks (talk) 23:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protection

I think we should ask wiki for semi protection for the article. There have been quite a few occasions of vandalism here lately. What do you think?--Mikej007 (talk) 21:39, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

probably a good idea, considering the massive amount of vandalism this article is likely vulnerable toTallicfan20 (talk) 03:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

where can we put this in?

I found this very interesting video of Netanyahu and Faoud Ajami debating in 1977. Ironically, both have now switched the positions from the ones in their videos. Netanyahu is now for a 2 state solution, Ajami is now pro-Israel. Also, it gets in how Netanyahu was once called Ben Nitay. Where can this go? I also think more info on his time as an economist could be useful as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tallicfan20 (talk • contribs) 09:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

bar-illan speech international reactions

why is everyone in the inte"ll reactions or most an arab state, what about the countries cause most of the reactions are quite negative and if there is no improvement i believe we should delete that article on account of bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.91.224 (talk) 21:08, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

his father foresaw 9/11 attacks in 1990s

Netanyahu: My father foresaw 9/11 attacks in 1990s http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=120347&sectionid=351020202 http://www.aljazeera.com/news/print.php?newid=341660 - "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said that his father predicted the 9/11 attacks on New York's twin towers back in the '90s. The remark was made during the 100th birthday celebration of the premier's father, Benzion Netanyahu, Haaretz reported." - Also note that Benjamin Netanyahu has said that "9/11 terror attacks good for Israel" http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html cheers, Jamie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.77.192 (talk) 11:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

While we're at it, let's also note that the "good for Israel" words in quotes above, are not his words. That's not what he said. Read the article. Hertz1888 (talk) 11:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
"Report: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel By Haaretz Service and Reuters"
I took it directly from the title of the article from haaretz.com. Haaretz isn't usually considered to be a tabloid so I think that this quote is ok to use. This quote directly attributed to Netanyahu in the article could be used as well:
"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq" cheers, Jamie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.77.192 (talk) 11:57, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
No, the headline is an editor's misleading interpretation, and not a quote of Netanyahu's words. A more complete quote, giving the context, would be, "We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq [have] swung American public opinion in our favor." Very different than the headline. Hertz1888 (talk) 12:14, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
P.S. Please sign your posts. Hertz1888 (talk) 12:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I am not sure why you think the Haaretz article title is misleading but I agree that if this info is put in the article it is better to quote Netanyahu's words.

cheers, Jamie24.108.77.192 (talk) 13:16, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Minister of Justice in infobox

The infobox currently states that he was Minister of Justice in 1996. Although this is technically true (the prime minister is also the minister for any ministry without an appointed minister) is was only for a month (Yaakov Neeman was the minister until 10 August 1996;[3] Netanyahu was until 04 September 1996[4]) during a cabinet reshuffle.

Considering the stated above, is the ministry position notable enough for the infobox? I tend to believe not. Rami R 11:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

march 2010

that article is false and the dubai police really have no jurisdiction and they never asked for netanyahu's arrest, neither have they filed an international complaint. so i deleted that section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.91.224 (talk) 23:36, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I restored the information you removed and also added another reference to this story from Reuters. cheers, Jamie http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6214TT20100302 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.77.192 (talk) 08:46, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Netanyahu's photo in the template

This is our best updated photo of him. does any one object to using this photo? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 16:56, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Second term as Prime Minister

This section should be summarized and should only focus on the most notable details. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 21:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Controversy

I think that the new controversy about his links to the expansion of Israel into Palestine be brought up considering that there is now sufficient evidence supporting this claim. >> http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/07/201071834019513292.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.26.12.194 (talk) 12:44, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The video, and several sources regarding it, is already mentioned and cited in the article. Hertz1888 (talk) 02:58, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Important information

The information removed here is very important, relevant and sourced. There is no reason to remove it. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 13:41, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Huggy82, There is nothing in the source that suggests that "Ha'aretz citation was not 100% sure whether Mr. Netanyahu said this or not.". Its his position about the attacks. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 13:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

A Boston Accent? What??!

The article states that Prime Minister Netanyahu spent six of his formative years in Cheltenham, Pennsylvania, a suburb of Philadelphia. Then it states that: “To this day, he speaks English with a Boston accent.” What is the correlation there? I live in a section of Philadelphia very close to Cheltenham (and my brother lives in Cheltenham), and I can assure one and all that anyone who is even reasonably adept in recognizing regional accents would never mistake a Philly accent for a Boston one! We are nasal, rapid speaking (like Chris Matthews), clipped and we do not pronounce our “r”s quite as distinctively as either New Yorkers or Bostonians. The actor Kevin Bacon has the archetypical Philadelphia accent, notwithstanding his coming from an upper crust family of Quaker heritage. (His late father had been an illustrious city planner and prominent in Philadelphia society for many years.)

While I served in the U.S. Navy, I got to be reasonably skillful at detecting various regional accents, having met people from all over the country. I could always pick the right area of the country and often the correct state. Listening to Mr. Netanyahu speak English, I would say he sounds Philadelphian, though slightly influenced by his native Hebrew, though I wouldn’t call that foreign influence profound enough to label him as one with a foreign accent; one of the few non-native American English speakers I have ever heard to hold that distinction. I attribute that to his having resided here for a couple years at a young age.

One wonders if Israelis consider him as speaking Hebrew with an American accent. It is said that Napoleon, from Corsica, spoke Italian with a French accent and French with an Italian one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoryBuff14 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I always thought it was New York or maybe Boston, with some Israeli thrown in.--Metallurgist (talk) 07:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
I changed it to "American accent". The book it's taken from is a history book, not a linguistics book, and can't be considered a reliable source for linguistic questions. The authors obviously don't know what a Boston accent sounds like, and anyhow where would he have gotten a Boston accent, having grown up in Pennsylvania? It just makes no sense. 85.178.78.62 (talk) 06:57, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Section blanking/removal of well sourced information

Removal of well sourced and important information such as this [5] without any explanation, does not serve the purposes of an encyclopedia. Please discuss any issues you have with the information here first. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:47, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

request for removal

the international reactions to the bar-ilan speech is completly biased. 7/10 reactions are arab, and 8/10 are negative. its time to make it 50/50. END BIAS ARTICLES NOW--109.66.194.30 (talk) 20:16, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

If the World thinks this way, it is not bias to include it in the article. 95.25.146.209 (talk) 04:21, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Cohanim?

He is Cohanim or not Cohanim?

Also, what percentage of Rabbis are Cohanim? 95.25.146.209 (talk) 04:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

most likely a similar to percentage to non-rabbi kohens. perhaps the data can be teased out somewhere at Y-chromosomal Aaron.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 21:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Fact tags

Please do not remove fact tags from unsourced content. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 23:34, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Image

An image with his country's flag in the background is preferable. -The Gnome (talk) 14:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Joe Lockhart quote

Noon, can you please explain why you removed this quote? Its notable and its from a reliable source. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 15:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Read the entire Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and then come back here.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 20:43, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
You have not provided a reason for removing the quote in your comment. It is NPOV - presented as Joe Lockhart describing Netanyahu, it is Verifiable - from a reliable source, and there is no OR - quotation and presentation is exactly as in the source. Therefor it is in accordance with Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:50, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Does this even need to be explained to you? Please stop the WP:BATTLEGROUND. Obvious WP:BLP violation - just absurd name calling.Plot Spoiler (talk) 20:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Please explain how its "WP:BATLLEGROUND" or a "BLP violation" ? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:50, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Putting in a derogatory quote from a political opponent is a clear BLP violation. You have been warned several times about this. Do it again and you'll be blocked. Shanghai Sally (talk) 21:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
There is nothing in the BLP policy that says that a quote from a reliable source presented in a npov manner is a BLP violation. How do you know I have been "warned several times about this" ? And I will ad it again if I cant get a reply to my questions above. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
I can read - three different editors, on this page have warned you it is a clear BLP violation- add it again and you be reported, immediately. POV pushers like yourself need to be banned form wikipedia. Shanghai Sally (talk) 22:10, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
And these "three editors" have all failed to prove that its a BLP violation. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:15, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
You've been referred to WP:BLP. Read it. Among other things it says "Criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone. and "BLPs should be written responsibly, cautiously, and in a dispassionate tone" . You are violation so many parts of that policy that it's a wonder you haven't been blocked yet, but it probably not far off. Shanghai Sally (talk) 22:20, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Reliable secondary source - Haaretz, "so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone." - exact quote and "White House spokesman Joe Lockhart describing Benyamin Netanyahu", nothing unresponsible, uncautiously or passionate tone here. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 23:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
The fact that you are quoting this partisan, unbalanced personal insult "exactly" does not mean it is presented "responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone." Look up the meaning of those words in a dictionary if they confuse you. Alternatively, go ahead and edit war this back into the article - nothing would please me more than to see you blocked. Shanghai Sally (talk) 23:44, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Shanghai Sally, I think your comments have crossed the Wikiquette line. You should consider removing statements such as "it's a wonder you haven't been blocked yet, but it probably not far off" and "nothing would please me more than to see you blocked."     ←   ZScarpia   00:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
What's your opinion of an editor who repeatedly inserts a BLP-violating slur into an article, and feigns ignorance as to with what's wrong with it? Shanghai Sally (talk) 00:30, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Apolgies for being sanctimonious and nit-picking, but, of course, article talk pages aren't the place to express opinions about editors. The actions of editors, maybe, but the editors themselves, no. As for the offending quote, I think that, without context, it should stay out of the article. The reaction that Netanyahu provoked in the Clinton White House is, the US being Israel's most important ally, very noteworthy. I think that, in a section about that, the quotes of Clinton and his spokesman would definitely be legitimate. But, including either without context, especially the latter, is, in my opinion, not.     ←   ZScarpia   10:37, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Bar-Ilan Speech

Reference #99, which is supposed to lead to a transcript of the Bar-Ilan speech is broken. Does anyone have a new link for a full transcript of the speech? Ross.donohue (talk) 13:04, 15 December 2010 (UTC) Found a new link for speech, but I'm new to editing and don't know how to correct the reference, could someone correct this in my stead? Full text of speech can be found at: Bar-Ilan Speech Ross.donohue (talk) 13:14, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I updated the article with a functioning url. thanks.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 13:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Netanyahu on Oslo etc

Benjamin Netanyahu (from: Haaretz - Gideon Levy - Tricky Bibi , 15 July 2010):

  • He recalled how he conditioned his signing of the 1997 Hebron agreement on American consent that there be no withdrawals from "specified military locations," and insisted he choose those same locations, such as the whole of the Jordan Valley, for example. "Why is that important? Because from that moment on I stopped the Oslo Accords," he boasts.
  • The real Netanyahu also brags about his knowledge of America: "I know what America is. America is something that can be moved easily."
  • He calls then-U.S. President Bill Clinton "extremely pro-Palestinian," and says the Palestinians want to throw us into the sea.

    ←   ZScarpia   04:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Denomination

Does anyone know what branch of Judaism he follows? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.9.83 (talk) 14:45, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Ridiculous photo of Netanyahu

Who chose the photograph of Netanyahu for this article? Have they not noticed how ridiculous it is to have a picture of the prime minister of Israel with a flag of the United States as background?

Is there anyone maintaining this site who knows how to replace the current Netanyahu photo with one that is more appropriate to a serious encyclopedia entry? If so, please do so. This entry discredits Wikipedia! Ehad Ha'am 93.172.22.86 (talk) 22:30, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Wait until Netanyahu is charged with campaign violations?

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/report-netanyahu-failed-to-report-all-campaign-contributions-1.352211?localLinksEnabled=false

Or post it up now? Hcobb (talk) 14:11, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Phone calls and stuff

The paragraph removed by me and restored here has no encyclopedic value. First, it's not properly attributed. Second, not much can be learned from a single dramatic citation of questionable credibility from a single phone conversation. While it's ok for newspaper, it's unwelcome in encyclopedia. The second part, about Ilan Baruch retirement has nothing to do with the gravity of the topic at all. While the rest of the topic lays out deep and serious analysis, what's the point to have this stuff in the very beginning of it? --ElComandanteChe (talk) 00:05, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Already covered elsewhere so maining it off. Hcobb (talk) 01:27, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Picture

I find it odd that the picture of him has an American flag displayed more prominently than the Israeli one off to the side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.185.82 (talk) 18:30, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

AgreedDrsmoo (talk) 02:05, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

I've replaced the picture. Feel free to replace with something else, there are some pictures available on commons. --ElComandanteChe (talk) 09:09, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

A minor nitpick

The Netanyahus lived in Cheltenham Township, Pa., and he and his late brother attended Cheltenham High School. However, that is not the same as Cheltenham, Pa.

I grew up not far from where they lived. I would also dispute that he has a Philadelphia accent, though maybe he does and I don't notice it because I'm also from there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by InsultComicDog (talk • contribs) 14:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

On Netanyahu's relationship with the Obama administration

Haaretz - Barak Ravid - Netanyahu's paranoia extends to 'self-hating Jews' Emanuel and Axelrod, 9 July 2009: Netanyahu appears to be suffering from confusion and paranoia. He is convinced that the media are after him, that his aides are leaking information against him and that the American administration wants him out of office. Two months after his visit to Washington, he is still finding it difficult to communication normally with the White House. To appreciate the depth of his paranoia, it is enough to hear how he refers to Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod, Obama's senior aides: as "self-hating Jews."     ←   ZScarpia   17:28, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Since both Emanuel and Axelrod are "gone", this whole issue is "moot". I know nothing about Axelrod but more about Emanuel and "self-hating Jew" is certainly not how I would describe him. FrancisDane (talk) 13:01, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Probably, most people would regard Emanuel and Axelrod as being the opposite of self-hating Jews, which is why what Netanyahu allegedly said about them is being used as an indicator of paranoia.     ←   ZScarpia   15:32, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

On Netanyahu's attitude to the United States and Bill Clinton: Haaretz - Gideon Levy - Tricky Bibi, 15 July 2010.

Harvard Degree?

Netanyahu never got any sort of degree from Harvard, so it's incorrect to say he is a "graduate" of Harvard or that Harvard is one of his "Alma Maters". Soure: Email from Harvard Registrar as follows

"Dear [redacted]: I can find no record of Benjamin Netanyahu in the Faculty of Arts & Sciences records or the 2010 Alumni Directory. Sincerely Pat Dyer Supervisor of Information Services Faculty of Arts & Sciences and Graduate School of Arts & Sciences Registrar's Office Harvard University 20 Garden Street Cambridge, MA 02138617-496-3713/fax 617-495-0815 On Mon May 23 09:06:47 2011" Anyone who wishes to independently verify this fact can contact the Harvard Registrar online and get the same answer. http://www.registrar.fas.harvard.edu/fasro/common/rohelp.jsp

In addition, his official CV, which is linked at the bottom of the page indicates that he only studied politics at MIT and Harvard. So, his on CV doesn't say he is a Harvard alum or that Harvard is one of his alma maters. Harvard's Kennedy School of Government has an arrangement with MIT which allows students to take classes at JFK School of Government.


FrancisDane (talk) 15:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


On Benjamin Netanyahu's father's Wiki page, it says: Origin of the Netanyahu name Netanyahu's father, Nathan Mileikowsky, used to sign some of his articles with the name Netanyahu. It was a common practice for Zionist activists at the time to adopt a Hebrew name, and his son Benzion eventually adopted this family name. Following the same practice, Benzion Netanyahu occasionally wrote under the name "Nitay". When his son Benjamin Netanyahu lived in the United States, he needed a name Americans could easily pronounce; he chose "Ben Nitay".

Therefore his name when he was in college in the US, he went by "Nitay" rather than Netanyahu.

"Alleged powers of prediction"

While I haven't read the book these quotes come from, and just looking at the text in wikipedia alone, I really don't think he was trying to claim he had any magical psychic powers here. This whole section, and specifically the title of it, seem rather bogus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cp5960 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Dimension31 (talk) 23:50, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Scandals?

"After a long chain of scandals (including gossip regarding his marriage) and an investigation opened against him on charges of corruption (later acquitted), Netanyahu lost favor with the Israeli public."

And you're not going to tell us what the allegations were? This article has been very well scrubbed to avoid mentioning what Bibi was up to during his first term as PM. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.248.172.32 (talk) 21:17, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

The plot to topple Netanyahu

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/netanyahu-advisers-accuse-ex-mossad-chief-of-plot-to-topple-pm-1.365952

Is this solid enough yet? I'm hesitant to add things like "associates who declined to be identified by name". Hcobb (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't look solid enough to me. Dimension31 (talk) 01:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

"Opinions on unilateral withdrawals"

See here. Netanyahu may be planning to unilaterally disengage from parts of the West Bank. This should be added to the section.--RM (Be my friend) 19:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Settlement building 1996–1999

In the section "First term as Prime Minister: 1996–1999" there is no mention of the increased level of settlement building which took place during this period. This seems to me to be a serious omission. Prunesqualor billets_doux 22:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

9/11 issues.

I believe the section on 9/11 might be a BLP violation.

The actual source clearly quotes Netanyahu: "Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy." But editors instead have framed his statements in a false context. This is an editorial and I don't know how reliable HP as it is a blog. The other source only includes a partial quotation while the NYT cite includes everything. So I suggest a full rewrite and ditching the HuffPo editorial.

And how reliable is this? A transcription from a video? Netanyahu's statements are referring to America's presence in the peace process, not the United States as well. The current section just sounds like another "Jews control America" libel. WikifanBe nice 05:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

agree. it is also undue weight being given to an offhand remark. i'll remove it. Firkin Flying Fox (talk) 18:58, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Uh, yeah I agree it is undue but I think we should wait for more comments before removing content. also, you only have a few dozen edits. Sock-puppet much? WikifanBe nice 22:21, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Bill Clintons comments on Netanyahu

Does the following news, comments by Bill Clinton, warrant a mention? http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4126490,00.html I can't find this information anywhere in the article. I don't actually know a lot about this person, I came here just to find out who Clinton was talking about actually. SmallEditsForLife (talk) 12:26, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

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Philadelphia Accent

Netanyahu's accent can't be classified as Philadelphian. He may have some of the characteristic linguistic features...but I don't see any broad evidence of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaanikdesai (talk • contribs) 17:52, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I just read the claim in the article that he has a Philadelphian accent and agree! I don't think you could say he has an American accent even, although he clearly is fluent in English 94.174.108.74 (talk) 18:28, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Paul Spiegel Investigation

Paul Spiegel was born into a Westphalian family. After the Nazi rise to power, the family fled to Belgium. Spiegel survived the Holocaust in Flanders where he was hidden by a family of farmers. Prior to that, his sister Rosa had been fondled during a so-called police raid in Brussels; she was later murdered in Bergen-Belsen. His father was arrested and held in Buchenwald, Auschwitz, and Dachau, but survived to reunite with Spiegel and his mother in Westphalia after the war.

Netanyahu was tasked with investigating the suspected murder of Paul Spiegel on 30 April 2006. The serious crime of failure to protect led investigators to question the official account of Spiegel´s death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.51.255.225 (talk) 12:22, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Withdrawal sentence in 3rd intro paragraph

It says:

Netanyahu withdrew from politics after a corruption scandal related to gifts from a government contractor.[2]

The reference is to a story CBS story "Netanyahu Corruption Charges Dropped" http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/09/27/world/main236708.shtml

I think this sentence gets the picture wrong. Bibi was indeed investigated about the gifts (and then cleared) but his resignation had nothing to do with the investigation. It had everything to do, however, with his losing the 1999 elections to Ehud Barak.

So I am going to change this sentence now.

The gifts allegations are mentioned later in the article, so I am not removing any information, just setting the context aright. Bazuz (talk) 21:31, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Bias

This article appears very biased indeed. One look at some of the newspapers over the past few years show that Netanyahu is a very divisive figure (with regard to some of his support for certain political positions, (particularly those relating to the settlements that are currently being constructed in Israel). There is no section to highlight the more controversial aspects of his rule, policies and political views and comments. This the headings in this article more or less simply paint a biography of his life, rampantly ignoring allegations of corruption by Israeli officials, as well as the fact that he is promoting the construction of settlements that are currently against international law.

Could we please introduce some balance to this article???

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.37.26.242 (talk) 17:53, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you could, but it appears that you believe Wikipedia editors exist to serve your beck and call. I should point out that this is not the case. 67.41.202.126 (talk) 01:00, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


Involvement into smuggling

According to the released (declassified) FBI report requested by FOIA-request[6] and widely discussed in israeli public mass media In autumn 2012, Netanyahu could be involved into the smuggling of krytrons by Richard Kelly Smyth.

Where should be put this information?

It needs to be reported in reliable outlets. --Jethro B 15:22, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Hm, is not the FBI file reliable? Of course, one can say, there is no proof this is really an FBI file... :-) The afair is connected to Israel, this is clear [7]. If there could be found aproof Netanyahu was involved in to Heli trade, then this could be enough, isn't it? It is interesting, the official Wiki CV of him has nearly no information about some involvement of his person in the commercial sphere...

Artur.Linhart (talk) 15:26, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

wounded by friendly fire

The article says: "He was involved in many other missions, including the rescue of the hijacked Sabena Flight 571 in May 1972 in which he was wounded by friendly fire.[11]" citing a reference that: 1) does not talk about Sabena Flight. 2) does not say Netanyahu was wounded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.187.18.2 (talk) 08:50, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion

As this article has been subjected to repeated vandalism, perhaps it should be semi protected for the time being? Joshuaselig (talk) 21:29, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

______________________________________

The Talk Pages are not a FORUM, nor are they a SOAPBOX for bringing irrelevant agendas that do not aid in the improvement of the article. The Talk Pages are for the discussion of Reliable Sources to help improve the quality of the articles. Take anything else to your local blog or other avenue; don't put it here. HammerFilmFan (talk) 19:34, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Gerald Scarfe cartoon?

No mention of this? Yet it gained international media attention with its reference to the cartoon Used by BN in a speech to the UN. Given the highly political nature of implicit threats about bombs and nuclear war, and the international attention drawn by GS's cartoon comment, I suggest that the event warrants a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.111.161 (talk) 08:42, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

The picture is wrong

On my end, instead of Netanyahu, I am seeing some kind of model. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.23.209.191 (talk) 07:25, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

lol... it was a vandal. I fixed it.--IranitGreenberg (talk) 07:41, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Bar-Ilan speech Netanyahu "acceptance" of Road Map

Are we happy with the line "Nevertheless, Netanyahu affirmed that he accepted the Road Map proposal" given the article has just stated that Israel won't comply with the main Israeli Road Map commitment of a settlement freeze (and hasn't done for most of the period since the Road Map was proposed) ? If Hamas announced it accepted the Road Map whilst rejecting an end to rocket fire would we describe Hamas as "affirming" its acceptance. The word "affirmed" seems to suggest Israel is in compliance with the Road Map - I know wikipedia doesn't like certain words as being weasel words but "claimed" would seem better here to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.82.114 (talk) 05:16, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Description of Ramat Shlomo

The user Irondome reverted my edit where I changed from "Jewish housing development in northeastern Jerusalem" to "large Jewish housing development in northern East Jerusalem". He says it "what is the difference? Except an attempt to geographically POV push semantically. Northeast Jerusalem is perfectly good". This is the opposite - we should not try to hide it is East Jerusalem and not Israel's self-declared city boundaries. And the wording I used is same used on the article on Ramat Shlomo: "large Jewish housing development in northern East Jerusalem".

It is one city, ethnically defined by the Arabs in terms of geography. All of Jerusalem is under Israeli sovreignty. Facts on the ground. Spurious Arab pressure on weak and oil dependent Western governments does not make International law. It makes a sick joke. Irondome (talk) 02:17, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
No, it's defined by the international community based on the fact that Israel occupied it in 1967.
It's a fact that East Jerusalem is not a part of Israel. "Facts on the ground" doesn't change that. --IRISZOOM (talk) 02:23, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Facts on the ground are all the facts there are here. Israel rules the area, applied Israeli law normally there, extends an offer of citizenship to all of the residents, and defines it as part of Israel in Basic Law(constitutional law), something that can only be changed by a large majority or referendum. How is it not part of Israel? Or part of anything else? 79.183.65.129 (talk) 00:27, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Furthermore, I just saw he is continuing with his POV push in other articles, which I had reverted. --IRISZOOM (talk) 02:00, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Your Obvious POV single topic account agenda is obvious. I shall be reverting blatant POV inspired untruths wherever I see them, and will be backing thenm with evidence. And its Mr Netanyahu BTW. Irondome (talk) 02:17, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
I can call him "Netanyahu" if I want.
Your only "evidence" is what Israel's position is, which is not the deciding factor. I will take up this in relevant areas. --IRISZOOM (talk) 02:23, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Why doesn't Netanyahu want Israel to be financially independent of the US?

If *my* country was dependent on another for the funding of its military, and I was a credible politician, I would be advocating ways for my country to become self-sufficient. Do Israelis simply not care how dependent on the US they are? Is that why Netanyahu doesn't have to advocate Israeli military independence? -75.57.5.160 (talk) 19:31, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

See WP:NOTFORUM. Please take your question to another site. --NeilN talk to me 19:37, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
NeilN you're right. But if an anonymous critic like this one is allowed to stay on the talk page, then responding to it must also be allowed. This may answer that question (note: it's not updated, since Afghanistan is currently the largest reciepient of U.S. foreign aid). -Shalom11111 (talk) 12:15, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Economic reforms

During his current tenure, Netanyahu's government has made some really significant and drastic changes to the Israeli economy such as this and this and this. Also, the 2011 Israeli social justice protests and Netanyahu's appointment of the Trajtenberg Committee really ought to be mentioned. Netanyahu's security policies and peace talks shouldn't be the only things mentioned in this article.--RM (Be my friend) 21:56, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism

Someone have just vandalised the page. Please check....200.48.214.19 (talk) 18:36, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Fixed by Brewcrewer. --NeilN talk to me 18:43, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I have no idea why the edit was automatically accepted. The editor has less than ten edits to their name. [8] If someone can be of assistance in rectifying this it would be great. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:15, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
@Brewcrewer: User has 15 edits --NeilN talk to me 19:26, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

War criminal Benjamin Netanyahu

Stating that Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal in the lead appears to be clear violation WP:BLP and WP:NPOV violation hence reverted it. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:09, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Sixth grade

Are we really putting sixth-grade reports into WP? The newspaper report quoted as source is fine for a politician doing a nice photo-op, but does it really belong on WP? What does it add to know what Netanyahu's teacher thought of him in sixth grade? I have put an undue tag on it. Feel free to remove the tag, or the sentence itself. Kingsindian (talk) 02:35, 22 August 2014 (UTC) I agree, and since there is no one arguing I'm going to remove it now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.183.52.124 (talk) 20:57, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I changed the statement from "revealed" to "indicated." It is worthwhile knowing what a teacher said about him, but hardly revealed revelation! God never said it! LOL. While the above says it would be removed on Sept 3, I note that the undue tag is there on Oct 6, 2014. IMHO, the "undue" tag is useless and should be removed. By merely recording what a teacher opined, no one should assume it was necessarily true. (EnochBethany (talk) 18:30, 6 October 2014 (UTC))

American values

@VanEman: Your comment on the revert was about the editor and not the content. What exactly is wrong with giving Netanyahu's position and not only its criticism some representation? “WarKosign” 07:40, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Name in Arabic

What's the reason to include Netanyahu's name transcribed to Arabic ? Arabic is the second official language in Israel, but Netanyahu's name is not in Arabic, nor this is ar.wikipeda

Per MOS:FORLANG, "If the subject of the article is closely associated with a non-English language, a single foreign language equivalent name can be included in the lead sentence, usually in parentheses".

Obviously Netanyahu is closely associated with Hebrew. His name is not closely associated with Arabic, hence there is no reason to include the Arabic version.

For an Arab-Israeli person it would be different - both versions of the name should be included, with Arabic probably being first since this would be the native spelling of their name. “WarKosign” 20:43, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

MOS:FORLANG would appear to be the clincher in these cases then. Thanks for digging that out. I assume this would now be consensual for the rest of the community. Cheers Irondome (talk) 20:48, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

The prime minister of a country with two official languages ought to have his name written in both those languages (as well as in English). It doesn't have anything to do with the linguistic origin of the name. A similar example is Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, whose name is written in both the official languages of Somalia. Also, "Netanyahu is closely associated with Hebrew" has no meaning. Zerotalk 02:57, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

I think both arguments have strong merit. Some 18% of the population speak Arabic, and would self-identify as Israeli Arabs. It is a high proportion of any nations population. I also take on board the clarity of MOS:FORLANG as a compelling WP aspect of WP:Manual of style. I'm a bit flummoxed. Any other comments? Irondome (talk) 03:15, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
The word "single" at MOS:FORLANG doesn't forbid using two foreign languages, but only forbids it in the first sentence. It continues "If more than one foreign equivalent is needed, put them in a separate sentence in the lead or in a Name section rather than in the opening sentence." Note that it doesn't say to put one name in the first sentence and the other elsewhere. I don't think that adding an extra sentence with Hebrew and Arabic will make the lead nicer, and a Name section would be silly. I propose we ignore the MOS on this, as very many pages do; it is not a policy page. Incidentally, look at the first sentence of Switzerland. Zerotalk 03:43, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
What is the use of having the name translated to Arabic ? If the name was originally in Arabic - sure, it would provide the reader additional information. In this case it is a translation, and an unhelpful one since we assume the reader of the English WP to be fluent in English, not in Arabic. Giving the name in its native language is helpful because this is the "real" name that the person was given at birth. “WarKosign” 04:39, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Looking at some precedents:
  • USA does not have an official language, but English is the most popular one (80%) with Spanish being second (12%) which arguably makes them comparable to Hebrew and Arabic in Israel. I do not see Spanish translation of Barack Obama's name. For Latino politicians, for example Rubén Hinojosa only the Spanish spelling is used, probably because the scripts of both languages are mutually intelligible.
  • Czech Republic: Both Czech and Slovakain are official language, Bohuslav Sobotka's name is given only in Enlish, also probably because of Czech using Latin script.
  • Djibouti: Ismaïl Omar Guelleh's name is given in Somali and Arabic, but not in French even though French is the second official languages.
  • Avigdor Lieberman has his name in English, Russian and Hebrew even though Russian is not an official language in Israel because he was born in the Soviet Union (affiliation with Russian), lives and works in Israel speaking Hebrew (affiliation with Hebrew) and the article is in English.
Every name can be translated to any language, but there has to be a reason. “WarKosign” 08:21, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
The reason has been explained. Your examples don't prove your point. Spanish is not an official language of the USA but it wouldn't make a difference since "Rubén Hinojosa" is the same in both English and Spanish. The Spanish translation of "Barack Obama" is "Barack Obama". Similarly, Ismaïl Omar Guelleh is written in French, namely "Ismaïl Omar Guelleh", and "Bohuslav Sobotka" would be given in Czech if it was different, but it isn't. It isn't a question of translation, or even of transliteration (the more proper word), it is a question of how his name is customarily written in Israel's second official language. It is useful factual information. Zerotalk 11:51, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
I looked at several countries with two or more official languages that do not include a variation of Latin script, such as Kyrgyzstan or Sri Lanka. Articles about their senior officials usually begin with the spelling of their names in all the official languages. I suppose there is no harm in following this convention, although I still don't see much point. “WarKosign” 12:54, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

I also agree about removing the irrelevant Arabic version. Netanyahu speaks Hebrew and English, there is no reason to write his name in a language he doesn't even know. Yossimgim (talk) 18:14, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Dr F's proposal on BN's correct name in English

Now please discuss. Irondome (talk) 17:35, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Benjamin Netanyahu had lived in America when he was younger for several years while going to MIT and Harvard, hence he has his own specific kind of spelling of his name in English-
Benjamin for his first name, and Netanyahu for his last name.
Source:
His official website [http://www.netanyahu.org.il/en/]
His official Facebook page [http://facebook.com/Netanyahu/]
There is no reason to add other ways to write it in English. His proper way sounds the same as the others and even has the same meaning.
Dr. Feldinger (talk) 17:55, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
I second Dr. Feldinker's opinion. That's the right way, Benjamin Netanyahu. Other additions in English are just messy and not that important for Wikipedia (I'm talking about these clumsy English versions: Binyamin, Benyamin, Binjamin, Nethanyahu, Natanyahu, Netanyahoo). Yossimgim (talk) 18:10, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Good one. Sounds like consensus. Please go ahead and make the edit. Unsure about a warning sign in the article itself though. This thread should suffice as evidence. Please point any future reversions to this thread I would suggest. Cheers Irondome (talk) 18:50, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Infobox picture

@Yossimgim and Andreas11213: Please stop edit warring over this picture. Both are acceptable, it's not really important. Please discuss pros and cons here. @Yossimgim: your last revert violates 1RR, I recommend you self-revert to avoid problems. “WarKosign” 07:11, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

original

The picture Andreas11213 wants to add is altered because it originally contains American flag. I think we should use untouched photographs where it's possible. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 03:29, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Stop changing his official picture and messing with colors on photoshop. Don't you have anything better to do? Seriously. Yossimgim (talk) 10:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

It is not an 'official picture,' but a cropped version of a photo by Greek Foreign Ministry from some meeting. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:47, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Stop over-cropping the already cropped upload. Nobody needs to see his nostrils that up close. Yossimgim (talk) 11:20, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I wrote to Administrators' noticeboard on your edits. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 11:47, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

It is preferable to use a picture that was not photoshopped. As for cropping, I can't find a guideline on image size, but leader portrats are often Medium Close Up, showing head and shoulders. There is nothing "official" in the picture Hebrew wikipedia editors chose. My preference would be the picture that apparently had American flag edited out, if it wasn't for the edit.“WarKosign” 16:52, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Obama's torso on WP
Netanyahu's torso on WP

This is a full torso portrait on the Wikipedia page of the #1 leader: Barack Obama.

Rest my case.

Please leave Benjamin Netanyahu alone. Yossimgim (talk) 20:58, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Stemoc's upload

Well, the new portrait by Stemoc looks great. Good job. Yossimgim (talk) 10:48, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Did Cheltenham High's two most famous alumni, Benjamin Netanyahu & [Reggie Jackson], know each other in high school?

Anybody?

This is not a forum for such discussions, anon IP, nor is it of any interest to the article on the subject person.HammerFilmFan (talk) 19:11, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Removal of Bennett remarks on chickenshit

I invite those who oppose this inclusion to explain their positions here. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 22:22, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm the one who first wrote about the Atlantic article, and just want to reinforce that the real substance of the article is about the relationship between Obama and Netanyahu and what that means for the relationship between the US and Israel. With regard to Bennet's comments I would say he is using the magician's trick---use a wand to point to something unrelated, so people won't look at what's really important. He's not really commenting on the truth or falsehood of the rift in the Obama-Bibi relationship and its implications for the US and Israel, he's bringing up something unrelated---Syria. In fact, Obama and his administration have been extremely critical of Assad and Syria. If we need something to show balanced POV, let's at least find a quote that stays on topic and doesn't bring in red herrings. Vaneman — Preceding unsigned comment added by VanEman (talk • contribs) 23:44, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

But it's related! Bennett said that no other leader received such an adjective ("chikenshit"), whether that's true or not is irrelevant. It's properly sourced and Bennett's opinion is as important as Lapid and other notable people cited in this article. Per NPOV we should include both or none.--190.17.232.62 (talk) 00:13, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
It isnt related as its discussing other parties. It doesnt say anything about the substance of the comment, its complaining that others were not subjected to it. But I thought the burden was on you to include it, not edit-war it in. nableezy - 02:31, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
That was Bennett's way of responding to chickenshit. You perhaps may think the response was immature and not on topic, but as reliable sources have related Bennett's comments in the chickenshit context, it is rightfully included in this chickenshit context. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:29, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I didnt say it was immature, I said it was irrelevant to the biography of Netanyahu, as it isnt actually about Netanyahu. Is there any response to that in your wikilink? nableezy - 05:01, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
The cited source Haaretz [9], in an article about Netanyahu, was of the opinion that the context of other mideast leaders is relevant to the accusation of Netanyahu. The policy linked above was meant to point out that the opinion of Wikipedia editors who disagree with the Haaretz publishers are not relevant. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:15, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
Oh, the topic of the Haaretz article is at least tangentially about Netanyahu. Bennett's comment however was not. It was about a comment about Netanyahu. Now if this article was about that specific "controversy" then sure its related. Here it doesnt have anything to do with Netanyahu. Not everything that is written in a newspaper belongs in a biography in an encyclopedia. So the reflexive wikilinking to WP:OR and the opinion of ... rings a bit hollow. nableezy - 06:46, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
And about your original edit summary, relates to a defense of an insult hurled at the subject of the article, you really think thats a defense of an insult? If I say X is bad, you think saying what about Y and Z is a defense to that? nableezy - 06:50, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Telaviv1 (talk) 11:37, 9 December 2014 (UTC) There is way way too much space being given to this unattributed comment.

Thats probably true. As it stands though, there wasnt any consensus for including this, and brewcrewer you knew that when you made your revert after 3 separate editors removed this text. Absent consensus for inclusion I'll be once again removing the text. nableezy - 22:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
I cut it down a bit as well. nableezy - 22:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

It should certainly be included in the article. This a common "nickname" for Netanyahu in the United States. We Americans very often refer to him (quite appropriately) as "chickenshit".77.2.221.150 (talk) 21:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Except for you, safely-anonymous IP, I have never heard a single American refer to him in that manner. Sorry, no dice. HammerFilmFan (talk) 19:14, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
No, this is not a common nickname in the States. I would go so far as to say not only is it not common, but that it's not even a fringe nickname. It's all but completely unknown/nonexistent.12.11.127.253 (talk) 14:07, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Reelection

So, when are you all going to acknowledge that Netanyahu has been elected to a fourth term? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.142.95.177 (talk) 16:10, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

this is protected

who protect him and why, 'After Benjamin Netanyahu attacked President Obama's...' (as worded by bbc [10]) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.90.196.227 (talk) 18:41, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Ninety Percent of Benjamin Netanyahu’s Campaign Money Comes From the United States

Isn't this some interesting and relevant information that should be in the article?

More than 90% of the Israeli prime minister’s campaign money comes from the United States, according to records published by Israel’s State Comptroller Office.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/sheerafrenkel/meet-the-american-families-bankrolling-netanyahus#.jgQ0w8eXY http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/06/netanyahu_american_donors_small_group_funds_huge_share_of_israeli_prime.html

Drs1986 (talk) 13:00, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Hebrew name

Benjamin Netanyahu is some kind of an English version of his name. I think where the name in Hebrew is mentioned it should also be written in Latin letters: Binyamin Ntanyáhu. 85.64.235.72 (talk) 03:14, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

No. There are 9999 ways to spell both his first name and his last name, but only 1 way which Benjamin Netanyahu uses himself. See this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Benjamin_Netanyahu/Archive_1#Dr_F.27s_proposal_on_BN.27s_correct_name_in_English

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2015

Huge Palestinian flag when page is opened 38.126.138.20 (talk) 17:30, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

  • Can't see any now or in the history.--TMCk (talk) 19:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

A few formatting fixes

I've just been through it. There was overlinking ("Likud" was linked 28 times ... on en.WP we try to minimise linking), and overcapping (three prime ministers, but Prime Minister Netanyahu). Please watch final commas, which should be outside quotemarks (and in some places the square bracket in external links). Double quotes the norm for citing story titles in the press, not singles. "Israeli General Staff"—will readers know what this is, and why is it capped? Thank you. Tony (talk) 04:26, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Quotation

I removed this quote you added Nishidani because Netanyahu was quoting As'ad AbuKhalil. It wasn't clear in the AFP article but it is on the offical website. --IRISZOOM (talk) 18:58, 12 June 2015 (UTC)


(ec)If so, Iriszoom, my apologies to editors and the page

The international community regards all Israeli construction on Palestinian land seized during the 1967 Six-Day War as illegal. "Justice and freedom for the Palestinians are incompatible with the existence of the State of Israel," Netanyahu added."It's a rejectionist extremist Palestinian position in which there is no room for Israel in any borders."

This is how Yahoo News reported it. I haven't time to check other reports, but the way this runs, the words are attributed to Netanyahu, rather than, as your revert now informs me, being words Netanyahu apparently used to gloss the BDS position? Nishidani (talk) 18:59, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
The article is unclear but the transcript on the PM's official website shows how it is. --IRISZOOM (talk) 19:02, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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Netanyahu notices Jihad coming to Europe

Headline: On Yom HaShoah, Netanyahu Compares Iran to Nazi Germany

“Just as the Nazis aspired to crush civilization and to establish a ‘master race’ to replace it in controlling the world while annihilating the Jewish people, so too does Iran strive to gain control over the [Middle East] region, from which it would spread further, with the explicit intent of obliterating the Jewish state,” Netanyahu said.
AstroU (talk) 01:36, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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WikiProject Biography Assessment Drive

Narrowly a B-Class - This could use citations and more references, not to mention further expansion.

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 02:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 07:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 14:21, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Can someone do something about this fellow?

this revert is one of several by this chap, almost certainly a sock or a wikipedian under an earlier handle. He follows, only to revert, me to many articles, and as in the present case, ignores the simple technical issues: a statement made by Rabin in 1995, together with a source that fails RS, cannot be used to synthesize a judgement that Netanyahu's Jordan Valley views were those of Rabin. Good sources may well exist for this, i.e. one that relates Netanyahu's take directly to Rabin's, but editors can't make it up themselves.Nishidani (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Nishidani. I've already reverted the article once today and don't want to revert more even if it's a different revert, but I hope somebody else can do it. And an admin should probably look into the stalking. Jeppiz (talk) 15:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Purging of his speeches from Wikisource

Netanyahu's Congressional speeches are currently being purged from our sister project, Wikisource,[11][12] on the basis that the Congressional Record isn't a work of the U.S. Congress. I'm not a fan of the guy, but I thought I'd let y'all know. -- Kendrick7talk 22:59, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Arrest Warrant for Netanyahu s Freedom Flotilla attack of 2010

Spain issues arrest warrant for Netanyahu and seven other Israeli officials, former defence minister Ehud Barak, former foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman, former minister of strategic affairs Moshe Yaalon, former interior minister Eli Yishai, minister without portfolio Benny Begin and vice admiral Eli Marom, who was in charge of the operation. Spain is just the latest member of the international community to accuse Israel of war crimes and pursue Israeli officials over the affair. As long as the warrant is in effect, if Netanyahu and those officials set foot in the western European country, they could be detained and questioned.

- --91.10.51.219 (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

  1. ^ Report: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel, Haaretz, April 16, 2008.
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