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Non-free content concerns[edit]

Copyright concerns about this article were raised at the talk page of the Wikipedia copyright problems board. I have susbtantiated that at least some content has been copied directly. For example, the article says:

To summarise, it is apparent that the claims of surviving Holocaust victims were usually rejected under the pretext of banking secrecy and a clear preference for continuity in private law.
All in all, the investigations by the ICE,..., have made two things clear: first, the volume of the assets of Holocaust victims was much larger than the banks maintained or believed immediately after the war and after the Registration Decree of 1962.
Second, however, it should also be stated that the pace of growth in the Swiss financial sector was in no way dependent on the unclaimed assets that it retained. The amounts involved were too small for this. The image of a banking system that built its wealth on assets expropriated from victims of the Nazi regime is not based on the facts.^[1]

The source says:

To summarise, it is apparent that the claims of surviving Holocaust victims were usually rejected under the pretext of banking secrecy and a clear preference for continuity in private law [455]...All in all, the investigations by the ICE, which are borne out by the findings of the «Volcker Committee», have made two things clear: first, the volume of the assets of Holocaust victims was much larger than the banks maintained or believed immediately after the war and after the Registration Decree of 1962. [456]...Second, however, it should also be stated that the pace of growth in the Swiss financial sector was in no way dependent on the unclaimed assets that it retained. The amounts involved were too small for this. The image of a banking system that built its wealth on assets expropriated from victims of the Nazi regime is not based on the facts.[456-457]

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This is just a short note to indicate that I am noting the issue. I will look more carefully at it during the next couple of days when I have a little more time. I am aware that there are special issues when an article in effect is about a single report which has been little commented on.Joel Mc (talk) 01:07, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ICE (2002)p. 455-7

Criticism[edit]

This article does not at all address the large amount of criticism that this report has recieved. It reads very much like a very uncritical reproduction of the main findings / summary of the report. -- 188.155.1.133 (talk) 21:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that the article gives a fair account of the report. But I do agree that critical views of the report should be included. The problem is that it is difficult to find what you indicate to be "a large amount". Five years after the publication of the report, Bergier expressed his disappointment as follows: "We believed we had done honourable work. We were expecting more discussion or even unfair criticism, which was not the case apart from a few hardliners. But this remained marginal." A google search confirms this. It is hard to take seriously, let alone provide a forum for, the statement from the nationalist People's Party (SVP) which described the report as a whitewash, with the SVP's Oskar Freysinger describing it as "a pseudo-historical work ordered up by the World Jewish Congress". Peoples Party criticism Serious criticism can be found in a article by Lambelet which was based on interim reports and was published in January 2001 before the Final Report was issued in March 2002.Lambelet The final report included responses to some of Lambelet's criticisms. Lambelet could be included under criticism.Joel Mc (talk) 11:35, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The lemma fails to state, that the refugee policy wasn't constant over time. No word about the time before 1941. How many Jews harbored Switzerland in total and how many were sent back? From my understanding it were more Jews than any other nation.--178.193.39.223 (talk) 00:00, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] ICE (2002)p. 455-7

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