Talk:Bernie Farber

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Puffery, references[edit]

I've added {{advert}} and {{refimrove}} tags to the article – there is much unsourced WP:PUFFERY and it needs better references. Also, the existing references should eventually be improved to use a standard and consistent format. --CliffC (talk) 17:55, 21 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removed tags restored[edit]

I've restored the two tags mentioned above and removed by another editor. The tagged problems have not been fully addressed. It seems neater to leave the {{refimrove}} tag in place than to append a "Citation needed" tag to every paragraph.

  • The article is still in need of citations from reliable sources – many claims are uncited, or incorrectly cited. As an example, the citation ending the paragraph
Farber is a published author and has contributed numerous articles on the Jewish political scene, human rights issues, the Holocaust, hate crime and white supremacy to newspapers and periodicals including The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Globe and Mail, the National Post, the Toronto Star, and many others.[1]
says nothing about him being a published author and does not mention any of the publications he's said to have contributed to. I don't doubt for a minute that he has, but this is why Wikipedia requires citations, so that people can verify that a reliable source has reported these claims as fact.
  • The article still reads like a promotional piece for Farber, or a page from his resumé. As an example, puff paragraphs such as
In 1992 Bernie Farber was instrumental in working with the National Congress of Italian Canadians in producing one of the first anti-racism educational films in Canada. Who is Peter Iswolsky? winner of a Canadian Silver Screen award,is still in use in schools today.
go unsourced; that paragraph's inline links don't even mention Farber. Broad statements like "Farber is considered the voice of Canadian Jewry" obviously require citation.

--CliffC (talk) 00:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cliff, where I note that Farber has appeared in various news publications, I actually sourced those publications and linked directly to the newspaper articles in which he was quoted. I will add the major work he published.Pampina (talk) 22:35, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I reworked that paragraph to use a standard reference format and to report only what is supported by the citations. --CliffC (talk) 04:19, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tags[edit]

Cliff, I believe the bio reads properly now. Who removes the request suggestions at the top of bio?Pampina (talk) 02:56, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Any editor can remove the tags, but first the problems need to be resolved. The lead paragraph and the paragraph beginning "Farber has contributed articles on the Jewish political scene..." are in good shape, because (1) they are written with a neutral point of view (please review the material at that link), which requires among other things that material be presented fairly and in a disinterested tone, (2) the statements they make are supported by material published in reliable sources, and (3) they use a standard citation format. The short paragraph "In 1992, he was awarded the Canada 125 medal.[2]" is almost there, but it's cited to a dead/unreachable link. The rest of the article still needs cleanup and proper sourcing. Most of the other paragraphs still need cleanup and proper sourcing, a few need only to have their citations revised to a standard format.
I suggest you reread all the material on this page, with a view toward what's still needed. This is a biography of a living person, and every statement that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a source. It seems unlikely that anyone will challenge whether Farber was really born in 1951, but grand statements like "he is credited for developing the first all inclusive specialty day camp in which children with mental and physical disabilities were integrated into the camp" will be, and will need a reliable source that he has been credited for this. Unsourced material may be removed by any editor. --CliffC (talk) 11:59, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cliff I was in touch with CJC on Farber's work at JCC daycamp in the 1970s they referred me to a mid 1970 Ottawa Citizen article about the specialty camp as one of the first of its kind etc...I will look for it but maybe hard to find...as for formatting, I am having difficulty understanding the procedure Pampina (talk) 12:31, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, formatting references is one of the most confusing things editors here run into. I find it easiest to create new references by editing the article and modeling new references on existing ones. As an example, in the text
Farber is the chief executive officer of the Canadian Jewish Congress.<ref>[http://www.chrc-ccdp.ca/proactive_initiatives/hoi_hsi/page2-en.asp The Internet and Hate Promotion: The 21st-Century Dilemma]</ref>
the material between the <ref> opening tag and the </ref> closing tag is the reference. The part starting with "http://..." is the web address and "The Internet and Hate Promotion: The 21st-Century Dilemma" is the title that will appear as a clickable blue link in the References section when you use the 'Show preview' or 'Save' button. This will generate a footnote number inside [ ] brackets immediately after 'Congress' and a blue-linked title in the References section.
If you have a problem getting any of the citations you find to format properly, put just the web address between <ref> and </ref> tags and I'll format it for you. --CliffC (talk) 21:19, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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