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Request move back to F.C.[edit]

I don't believe anon users can move pages, but someone who can should undo the move to SC. The Geocities fan page may refer to a "soccer club", but the Boston Globe in 1925 article refers to "Bethlehem Steel F. C." and the National Soccer Hall of Fame page refers to "Bethlehem Steel Football Club". Those seem a tad more authoritative than a modern fan page. Hell, if you move an article, at least edit the article accordingly: the moved page still doesn't say "soccer club" anywhere in it. --76.121.3.11 (talk) 18:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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There is a copyright expired image here on page 42. Miyagawa (talk) 14:34, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 October 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved to Bethlehem Steel F.C. (1907–30) per WP:DATERANGE, USL article moved to base location. While John makes a reasonable point about consistency, no one else has commented on that aspect and hence there is no consensus to change the status quo – therefore the old team will retain "F.C." while the new one will retain "FC". No prejudice against a future discussion on that topic. TheBigJagielka, Jkudlick, Fenix down and AF4JM, I'm pinging you to please make sure that all the incoming links get fixed after this move. Jenks24 (talk) 14:03, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

– The original club has not been active since 1930. The newly formed team shouldn't need USL in parentheses as it's the only active club with that name. The changes would be inline with the system used for Vancouver Whitecaps. TheBigJagielka (talk) 21:01, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Concur to maintain consistency in article titles. — Jkudlick ^tc_s 12:36, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support - seems sensible to me. Fenix down (talk) 13:58, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Concur (mostly) - I would think that both articles would be the same, either FC or F.C., I think it's silly for them to be different. Other than that I concur.--John, AF4JM (talk) 11:52, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 14 January 2020[edit]

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It was proposed in this section that Bethlehem Steel F.C. (1907–30) be renamed and moved to Bethlehem Steel F.C. (1907–1930).

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Moved. See no general agreement below in regard to whether the parenthetical disambiguation should be a date range, a single year or is not needed at all. So this request is granted per the guideline without prejudice. A new move request may be opened at any time to resolve the disambiguation issue. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) PI Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 14:47, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Bethlehem Steel F.C. (1907–30) → Bethlehem Steel F.C. (1907–1930) – ~~This is a partial revert of a WP:RM/TR, the original article title was Bethlehem Steel F.C. (1907–30).~~(edit 12:33, 14 January 2020 (UTC) revert done in RM/TR) Despite Bethlehem Steel F.C. has renamed to Philadelphia Union II, there is no prove "Bethlehem Steel F.C. (1907–1930)" is the primary topic instead, per WP:Primarytopic and MOS:DATERANGE. --Matthew hk (talk) 06:31, 14 January 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:24, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Additional note:, the redirect Bethlehem Steel FC currently not cleaned and pointed to Philadelphia Union II by context. Thus it is very very not a good condition that "FC" redirect to Philadelphia Union II but F.C. point to "Bethlehem Steel F.C. (1907–1930)". Matthew hk (talk) 06:42, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect also fixed to pre-bold change for Bethlehem Steel FC and Bethlehem Steel F.C. Matthew hk (talk) 12:42, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Bethlehem Steel F.C. (1907) in line with well-established standard naming conventions for cases like this, see also Accrington Stanley F.C. (1891) and Airdrieonians F.C. (1878). Giant Snowman 19:40, 14 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Bethlehem Steel F.C.; keep Bethlehem Steel FC as a redirect to Philadelphia Union II for now to avoid breaking links and because the name change just happened. The USL team (Union II) has never used "F.C." with periods in their name which means that punctuation can unambiguously refer to the 1907 club – parenthetical disambiguation should only be used when necessary. Sure, it would be a little confusing to have different punctuations go to different articles but that can easily be cleared up with hatnotes ~~such as with Pacific FC and Pacific F.C.~~. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaixx (talk • contribs) 2020-01-15T12:58:48 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. Your example, Pacific FC and Pacific F.C. is the prefect sample for something need to be disambiguated. Matthew hk (talk) 14:38, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, ignore that then. The ideal title for the USL team is Philadelphia Union II. The ideal title for the 1907 team is Bethlehem Steel F.C. Why include unnecessary disambiguation? BLAIXX 17:02, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Matthew hk and GiantSnowman: have you given this any more thought, I think we should try again to reach consensus. BLAIXX 01:07, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I stand by my suggestion. Giant Snowman 18:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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