Talk:Black Allan (horse)

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Review: March 16, 2016. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Black Allan (horse) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 March 2016 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Black Allan's running walk made him unfit for harness racing, yet he became the foundation sire of the Tennessee Walking Horse?

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Discussion[edit]

I've edited too much on this article to do the review, but I'll try to help you get it there. Montanabw ^(talk) 01:09, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I'll appreciate any help. I'm going to look on Google books and see if I can find more sources. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 01:14, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hathi trust is a gold mine if you can access it. That Walkers West site seems pretty good too. Here's what I found while photo hunting. Montanabw ^(talk) 02:58, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89031311962;view=1up;seq=136 Ensminger was the best RS of his time, not much, but it's solid (also a photo of Go Boy's Shadow)
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015069793175;view=1up;seq=312 Margaret Caball Self
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924000436281;view=1up;seq=140 -- this one has some very good bits on breed origins

(Pretty short pieces, but can be stronger sources to verify iffy ones)

http://www.twhbea.com/voice/Features/Wartrace.htm this looks pretty solid
http://www.walkerswest.com/Champs/AllenF1.htm Walkers West, you probably already considered this
http://www.westwoodfarms.net/reference/allan.html extensive quotes from this book (looks like a good one): //www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001QU04OA/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=westwoodfarms-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B001QU04OA (and is a $100 book, but available via ILL perhaps: [1]
http://cemwalkinranch.com/history.htm?user=Cemwalkinranch FWIW

Thanks for finding those, I have used Walkers West (excellent site), and the TWHBEA one. I haven't written an article yet for Go Boy's Shadow, although I think he and Haynes Peacock both could use articles since they were both two-time winners. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 15:17, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As far as the chart goes, always easier to find photos if they will be used more often! I wonder if Hathi Trust or someplace has old magazines digitized (or if a library in your area has back issues of old breed magazines); if any of these images were used in a magazine ad during the horse's life, and prior to 1978, they are probably US-copyright-not-renewed and thus public domain. I can find images easily enough, it's doing a fair use rationale for every single one that's a pain; public domain is much easier. Montanabw ^(talk) 01:09, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have started both of them in userspace drafts. I can access Hathi, but the local library is very small and is scaling down because everybody is into iPads and Nooks and Kindles now. I think I read every horse book in there by the time I was 13 anyway. 😉 I think they have a big supply of old breed magazines and Celebration yearbooks in the Tennessee Walking Horse National Museum; if I ever got to go there I'd probably end up being there all day. I would like to see if the old guy who taught me would be in their archives somewhere, because he won one of the junior stakes years ago at the Celebration. When I was learning from him he still had the horse he won on, I think the horse was in his teens at the time and was still showing. However, on the museum's website, they said they are hoping to scan some of their stuff and get it online soon, so that would be a real gold mine for pictures and info! Thanks for adding the pictures too. I can't lift them with the phone for some stupid reason. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 01:55, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I bet even a local library can do Inter-library loan, though... I know my local one can! I can relate to getting lost in a museum; if I ever get to the Kentucky Horse Park, I might not emerge for a month! LOL! Montanabw ^(talk) 06:31, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Black Allan (horse)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Wilhelmina Will (talk · contribs) 03:46, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

GA criteria[edit]

Well-written:

After confirmation of the question posed below, I am confident the article satisfies MOS policies on grammar as well as structural layout. Herein dwells the greatest dictionary ever composed! (talk) 19:54, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct

(b) it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation

Verifiable with no original research:

No signs of original research. The article refers to a fair quantity of reputable sources, and makes good use of them. Herein dwells the greatest dictionary ever composed! (talk) 09:02, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline

(b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose)

(c) it contains no original research

Broad in its coverage:

The article seems to sufficiently cover all encyclopedically relevant aspects of its topic. Herein dwells the greatest dictionary ever composed! (talk) 08:59, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.

The article maintains an unbiased approach to its subject, throughout. Herein dwells the greatest dictionary ever composed! (talk) 08:58, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

According to the revision history, the article has not undergone any disputes or edit wars, for at least as long as last October. Herein dwells the greatest dictionary ever composed! (talk) 08:47, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:

Both images used are relevant to the article's subject, and both are public domain, so concerns over fair use do not apply. Herein dwells the greatest dictionary ever composed! (talk) 20:23, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content

(b) media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions

Wilhelmina Will, are there any specific problems here I need to clean up to improve the article? Thanks for your review, White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:36, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry; I'll get this review going, by tomorrow at the latest. :) Herein dwells the greatest dictionary ever composed! (talk) 13:14, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

In the section labelled "Life", it is mentioned that "Dement stood Allan at stud for only a few months before Allan's death..." Just to be clear, as I am not entirely familiar with the topic of pedigree horse-breeding, is "stood at stud" a regular, thereby grammatically appropriate term, used in these circumstances? Herein dwells the greatest dictionary ever composed! (talk) 09:05, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's a pretty common phrase in the horse world... "At stud" means a stallion available for breeding, almost always for a fee. "Standing at" is also very common. Not an RS, but conveys the usage White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 15:12, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okey-doke; no grammatical issues then! Herein dwells the greatest dictionary ever composed! (talk) 19:52, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article qualifies as GA. Congratulations! Herein dwells the greatest dictionary ever composed! (talk) 19:55, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Black Allan redux[edit]

Right above Black Allan's infobox photo it says Black Allan. We do not need to repeat that below the image, especially in light of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Captions#Infoboxes and leading images.

Portals are the convenience of article readers (they never see talk pages). Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 14:41, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you really want to add Portal Horses to about 4000 articles tagged for Wikiproject Equine, be my guest. We have it on the talk page template so we avoid that necessity. There is clear reason at the MOS to add the name ("Cosby in 2010" being the example there). Montanabw ^(talk) 23:22, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]