Talk:Black players in professional American football

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Now I'm no expert on American football or indeed African-American history, however I feel this could be a good article with a lot of information. Myself0101 (talk) 13:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well maybe someday it could be a good article on Wikipedia :), I think your point is that the article satisfies Wikipedia:N - which I agree 66.234.33.8 (talk) 23:32, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Title of article[edit]

This article should be called "Black players in professional American football." If you're trying to differentiate between American football and soccer, the current title of this article makes it seem like this is about professional footballers (soccer players) in America. 128.211.198.168 (talk) 22:37, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The section on how the NFL discriminates against white players is laughable, very few people feel this way. This section should be deleted.----

Just because "very few people feel this way" doesn't mean it's not a fact. Look it up. Right now there's only one white starting halfback in the NFL, and until Peyton Hillis, there was a stretch of several years when there were none at all. Toby Gerhart's complaints on the issue are worth noting. Every time I've put that there it's been reliably sourced. I'm not making this up just to race-bait; this is a legitimate issue and whoever pulled it from the article should have the good conscience to put it back. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 01:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And here's another source for the issue [1]. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 01:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This article is so tremendously undersourced and such a complicated and notable issue, no one should be deleting anything that is from a notable source. The idea here is to add content and then build a consensus based on verifiable, reliable sources. 66.234.33.8 (talk) 23:53, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Race and sports[edit]

Race and sports could use a brief summary of this article if someone is willing to lend a hand there. Thanks! Location (talk) 17:40, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this subject is worthy of attention and needs work. I completely agree. 66.234.33.8 (talk) 23:42, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge from request[edit]

I am requesting the section i wrote in Bert Bell called Reintegration be merged into this section....its fully cited. 66.234.33.8 (talk) 22:12, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I want the stuff I wrote in the Bell article and put in here is because there is no source, notable or not, that ever attributes anything about reintegration to Bell. And this article has 2 citations about reintegration and I have 20. The section in this article, "the slow reintegration" has 3 citations when it probably could have 30 easily. 66.234.33.8 (talk) 23:00, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have been advised that if no one dissents, in a reasonable time frame, either here or on the Bert Bell talk page, to move the section to here by unanimous consent (by me) as the Bert Bell talk page is dead and no one has contributed to this talk page in over 3 months. 66.234.33.8 (talk) 23:03, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Merge done. I will fix it up grammatically later after I sit down and read the article. The current "slow reintegration" is borderline violation of NPOV because of the word slow... 66.234.33.8 (talk) 22:33, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

in further reading:

  1. Brown, Paul; with Clary, Jack (1979). PB, the Paul Brown Story. New York: Atheneum. - covers Jim Brown and Cleveland Browns
  2. Hession, Joseph (1987). The Rams : Five Decades of Football. San Francisco: Foghorn Press. - covers Washington
  3. Lyons, Robert S. (2010). On Any Given Sunday, A Life of Bert Bell. - covers 1950s
  4. Maraniss, David - covers packers and Lombardi
  5. Pervin, Lawrence A. (2009). Football's New York Giants. explain how Tunnel was signed to the giants
  6. Piascik, Andy (2007). The Best Show in Pro Football. - should attribute Browns early success to signing African Americas early on
  7. Piascik, Andy (2009). Gridiron Gauntlet. - general overview
  8. Rathet, Mike; with Smith, Don R. (1984). Their Deeds and Dogged Faith. - this might needed to be removed
  9. Rooney, Dan; with Halaas, David F. and Masich, Andrew E. (2007) - should introduce the Rooney Rule

66.234.33.8 (talk) 09:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Name of page[edit]

Ain't this supposed to be African Americans in professional football or maybe, much wiser, just African Americans and the National Football League??? 66.234.33.8 (talk) 12:14, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Plessy vs. Ferguson[edit]

On April 1, 2012, the following was found in the entry:

"In 1946, after the Rams had received approval to move to Los Angeles, members of the African American print media made the Los Angeles Coliseum commission aware the NFL did not have any African American players[18] and reminded the commission the Coliseum was supported with public funds. Therefore, its commission had to abide by an 1896 Supreme Court decision, Plessy v. Ferguson, by not leasing the stadium to a segregated team.[19] Also, they specifically suggested the Rams should give Washington a tryout.

I learned about Plessy vs. Ferguson long ago in high school. What I learned was that it legitimized "separate but equal." It does not make sense to me that Plessy vs. Ferguson was used to force the Rams to integrate in order for them to play in the Coliseum, a publicly owned facility. I am not a historian of sports. I wondered if a Wikipedean who is knowledgeable about the history of sports could check on the veracity this seemingly anomalous assertion. Thanks.Iss246 (talk) 21:10, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:African-American players of American football[edit]

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Teams first black player(s) after WWII[edit]

Permanent reintegration of pro football.

[2] I left the Colts and Texans off the list as they signed a player their first season of existence (1953 and 1952).

CHICAGO BEARS 1952 – Eddie Macon, HB (Pacific)

CHICAGO CARDINALS 1952 – Cliff Anderson, E (Indiana); Ollie Matson, HB (San Francisco); Wally Triplett, HB (Penn State)

DETROIT LIONS 1948 – Melvin Groomes, HB (Indiana); Bob Mann, E (Michigan)

GREEN BAY PACKERS 1950 – Bob Mann, E (Michigan)

LOS ANGELES RAMS 1946 – Kenny Washington, HB (UCLA); Woody Strode, E (UCLA)

NEW YORK GIANTS 1948 – Emlen Tunnell, S (Iowa)

NEW YORK YANKS (Defunct) 1950 – Sherman Howard, HB (Nevada-Reno); Buddy Young, HB (Illinois); George Taliaferro, HB/QB (Indiana)

PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 1952 – Ralph Goldston, HB (Youngstown State); Donald Stevens, HB/DB (Illinois)

PITTSBURGH STEELERS 1952 – Jack Spinks, G (Alcorn State)

WASHINGTON REDSKINS 1962 – Ron Hatcher, FB (Michigan State); Bobby Mitchell, HB/FL (Illinois)


First African American(s) on All-America Football Conference (AAFC) Teams


The AAFC was a rival pro football league that existed from 1946 to 1949. Here is a list of the first African-American(s) who first played for each of the clubs. Three of the league’s teams, the Buffalo Bisons/Bills, Miami Seahawks, and Baltimore Colts had no black players.

BROOKLYN DODGERS 1947 – Elmore “Pepper” Harris, HB (Morgan State)

CHICAGO ROCKETS 1947 – Bill Bass, HB (Nevada-Reno)

CLEVELAND BROWNS 1946 – Bill Willis, G/MG (Ohio State); Marion Motley, FB (South Carolina State; Nevada)

LOS ANGELES DONS 1947 – Ezzret Anderson, E (Kentucky State); John Brown, C (North Carolina Central); Bert Piggott, HB (Illinois)

NEW YORK YANKEES 1947 – Buddy Young, HB (Illinois)

SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS 1948 – Bob Mike, T (UCLA); Joe Perry, FB (Compton Junior College)

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