Talk:Blackadder II

Blackadder II was one of the Media and drama good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
April 23, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
January 17, 2008	Good article reassessment	Kept
November 12, 2023	Good article reassessment	Delisted
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on March 23, 2007. The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that Blackadder II, the second series of the BBC sitcom Blackadder, contains many tongue-in-cheek references to the plays of William Shakespeare?
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Outside Locations[edit]

"Only one outside location shot is used in the whole series, for Blackadder's courting scene in "Bells"."

Presumably, this doesn't include the outside location for the closing credits mentioned in the section above?

Terrypin 10:22, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The section refers to the actual content of the episodes, rather than the closing titles, although I would imagine that the end titles were probably filmed at the same location. Incidentally, is the location Wilton House? The Palladian bridge looks very similar. I've never read anything saying where it was filmed, though. Bob talk 10:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notes on GA failure[edit]

I've failed this as a good article largely as the depth of the article is insufficient. The referencing, images, stability are not a problem but the writing style also needs some work.

Major issues

The article is insufficiently broad. There is nothing significant in the article on pertinent topics such as:

it's filming dates, location for the outside shot, studios used
budget (if the BBC publishes this)
Playing in other countries, sales to other TV stations, international releases, DVD/video releases

Text needs copyediting eg:

As each episode elapses, this sequence becomes a mini-series in its own right in which Blackadder constantly tries to apprehend the musician. could be better written as
This sequence was incorporated as a separate subplot, with Blackadder constantly trying to apprehend the musician.
Also, early scenes in "Head" introduce the audience to the characters, such as the opening scene that shows Baldrick is now stupid could be better written as
In the early scenes of "Head", the characters are introduced to the audience, with Baldrick`s stupidity highlighted.

Minor issues

Use "did not" instead of "didn't"
9th of January 1986 and like dates should be written [[January 9]] [[1986]] for date preferences to work

- Peripitus (Talk) 10:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully I have sorted most of these problems, as well as greatly increasing the breadth of the article. It now mentions the filming locations and dates, casting, writing and media releases, although I'm afraid I couldn't find anything about budget or overseas sales - I don't think the BBC publish these. However, hopefully I've addressed most of the major faults it had on the 2nd of April. Bob talk 20:54, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've passed this, because I think most of the concerns made since April 2 have been addressed. Mahanga^Talk 20:00, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Sweeps (Pass)[edit]

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, EyeSerene^TALK 19:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

The series is called Black-Adder II not Blackadder II as the screen shot on the page actually shows. Shouldn't the article's title be changed to accomodate this obvious fact? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.0.219 (talk) 15:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, as you can see, there is already a footnote explaining this: the BBC consistantly refer to the 2nd and 3rd series as "Blackadder", reflecting the character's name (as opposed to a nickname). Although technically it might be "Black-Adder II", how many people are really likely to search for that? I gather a similar discussion took place on the Friends article. Bob talk 21:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You could argue that the hyphen is only included in the opening titles because the name has been split across two lines. MFlet1 (talk) 11:58, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with MFlet1. Being as all the letters in the opening title are in caps, with the exception that the first letter, 'B' is larger than the remaining characters, one can easily conclude that the only reason for the hyphen is because the name is continued onto the second line. The 'A' in "BLACK-ADDER II," is the same height as all other characters, with the exception of the first 'B'. I conclude that it is, indeed, spelled, "Blackadder;" the main titles are stylized.

Christopher, Salem, OR (talk) 01:02, 30 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, if the name was "Black-Adder", the title screen would have been

"Black-

-Adder II"

with two hyphens and a larger "A". I have reworded the footnote to try and clarify it.-- Dr Greg talk 19:49, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Reassessment[edit]

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Result: Delisted. Real4jyy (talk) 03:05, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This 2007 addition has unsourced or badly sourced information (IMDB, Getty Images, etc) which fails criteria 2 of the GACR. Spinixster (chat!) 13:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delist. Questionable sources, Blackadder was popular and there are surely better sources out there. Unclear if this is truly "broad in coverage" either, seems suspiciously short. SnowFire (talk) 16:29, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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