Talk:Blood Sweat & Tears (song)

GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 05:34, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Shortly after my last review of one of your articles, another is incoming. --K. Peake 05:34, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• Cover art needs alt text
• Should the B-sides be referenced in the infobox?

• I don't think so, since B-sides are exclusively for the japanese version.

• Shouldn't the Korean and Japanese versions of the title be in bold?
• Are you sure wikilink is needed on boy band or is it too obvious?
• "the band's second studio album Wings (2016) by" → "the band's second studio album, Wings (2016), by"
• "on May 10, 2017 through" → "on May 10, 2017, through"
• "that included" → "that included the"
• "Musically, "Blood Sweat & Tears" is a" → "It is a"

• I don't think the current wording is awkward.

• The term "musically" is not used in the leads of music articles and is mostly reserved for the body since it gives too much detail for a lead; remove it plus you do not need to reinstate the title in this para. --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

•  Done

• "The track's lyrics address" → "The lyrics of the song address"

• same as above.

• Change to "The song's lyrics address" then, for consistency. --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

•  Done

• "refreshing sound and the band's vocal delivery." → "the refreshing sound and BTS' vocal delivery."
• "It was also likened" → ""Blood Sweat & Tears" was also likened"
• "It earned a nominated for the" → "It was nominated for"
• "appeared on the decade-end lists of" → "appeared on the decade-end lists of the best K-pop songs by"
• "Commercially, the Korean version of "Blood Sweat & Tears" debuted at number one on the" → "Commercially, the Korean version of the song debuted at number on South Korea's"
• "the band's first number-one song" → "the band's first number one"
• "the single has sold over" → "the song has sold over"
• "debuted and peaked at number one" → "peaked at number one"
• "for shipments over 250,000 copies." → "for shipments of 250,000 copies in the country."
• "were filmed for the single," → "were filmed for "Blood Sweat & Tears","
• "and one for the Japanese version" → "and another for the Japanese version"
• "and premiered on Big Hit's" → "and premiered via Big Hit's"
• "Hermann Hesse's coming of age novel Demian (1991)," → "Hermann Hesse's coming of age novel, Demian (1991),"
• "depicts the band exploring" → "depicts BTS exploring"

• After this line, should I add that the video was awarded Best Music Video at the 2017 Seoul Music Awards?

• Yeah, that's a really good catch! --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

•  Done

• "The second video featuring" → "The second video, featuring"
• "was uploaded to Universal Music Japan's" → "was uploaded to Universal Japan's"

 Done Everything else

Background and release

• "series which presented the theme" → "series, which presented the theme"
• Remove wikilink on BTS
• "studio album," → "studio album"
• The sentence's info is not properly backed up by [1]

• added another ref. to support the claim.

• "to be a part of Wings, when" → "to be included on Wings when"
• "On October 7 of that year, it was" → "On October 7, 2016, the song was"
• first single → lead single, with the appropriate wikilink because that is the preferred terminology on WP
• "It was engineered by Pdogg," → ""Blood Sweat & Tears" was engineered by the producer,"

• kept it as "it was" instead of "Blood Sweat & Tears" since the starting line of the next paragraph begins with the song's title.

• Are you sure this should be done, since you stated "it" most recently before this; maybe even change to "The track was..."? --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

•  Done

• Remove wikilink on lead single
• "was recorded and issued" → "was recorded, and issued" since elsewise, it sounds like the song was recorded that same date
• "previously released Korean singles" → "previously released 2016 Korean singles," with the appropriate target
• "It was also released" → "The song was also released"
• "different limited editions:" → "different limited editions;"
• "as A-side and" → "as the A-side and" with the target
• Remove target on B-side
• "is present exclusively on" → "is included exclusively on"
• "containing the music videos for" → "that contains the music videos for both" with the wikilink
• "with a DVD that contains" → "with a DVD, which contains"
• "Japanese version of "Blood, Sweat & Tears" and" → "Japanese version of the song and"
• Is it supposed to be "making of album" or "making of the album"?

• changed to the latter.

• KM-MARKIT should be in all caps
• "on the band's third Japanese-language studio album," → "on BTS' third Japanese-language studio album"

 Done all

Music and lyrics

• "of " Blood Sweat & Tears ", a moombahton, trap and tropical house song, in" → "to "Blood Sweat & Tears", in" on the audio sample text
• "compared to the styles" → "compared to the musical styles"
• [6][15][16][17][18][19] should be invoked when appropriate on the text and not all crammed together; that is too many refs to be next to each other
• Target hip hop to Hip hop music
• "The song is influenced by" → "The song takes influence from"
• "synthesizer and Caribbean drums." → "synthesizer, and Caribbean drums." with the target
• "production consisting of" → "production that consists of"
• "beats, "airy synths"," → "beats," "airy synths,""
• Target The Singles Jukebox to Stylus Magazine
• "in the composition" → "in the song's composition"
• Target verses to Verse (music)
• "beats" and use" → "beats," and use"
• "cascading chimes and" → "cascading chimes, as well as"
• "crooning"." → "crooning.""
• ""feathery coos"," → ""feathery coos,""
• "and at-times" → "and at-times,"
• ""circuitous" where they chant" → ""circuitous," in which they chant,"
• "and the meaning of the song" → "and meaning behind the song"
• "RM stated" → "RM stated:"
• The song's title should be in ' per MOS:QWQ
• "Suga also added that" → "Suga added that"
• "address themes" → "address the themes"

 Done all

Critical reception

• "received generally positive reviews" → "was met with generally positive reviews"
• Target pop to Pop music
• "global music scene." → "global music scene.""
• "also of Billboard," → "in a separate Billboard review,"
• "notes" adding that" → "notes," adding that"
• "commended the single for its" → "commended the song for its"
• ""wouldn’t sound" → ""wouldn't sound"
• "and "synth"-based" → "and synth-based" since the speech marks and dash read awkwardly, plus synth is encyclopedic
• "sound and musical direction" → "sound and musical direction in a way"
• "They further wrote that" → "They elaborated, writing:"
• Wikilink Dazed instead of the target
• "vocal delivery writing that" → "vocal delivery, writing that"
• "the lyrics’" → "the lyrics'"
• "opined that "the theme" → "observed "the theme"
• "their previous works."" → "their previous works" with the song."
• ""addictive" which captured" → ""addictive," which captured"

 Done all

Accolades

• "as one of the best" → "as one of the 20 best" since it is too vague currently
• "The former ranked it" → "The aforementioned publications ranked it at"

• Kept it as "the former" since Billboard ranked it 7 and 16 on two separate lists and not Dazed.

• My bad, thanks for the clarification haha! --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• "and number 16, respectively, on their lists of the 100 best K-pop songs of 2010s and the 100 greatest boy band songs of all time." → "and number 16 on their lists of the 100 best K-pop songs of 2010s and 100 greatest boy band songs of all time, respectively."
• "placed it on their" → "placed the song on their"
• "On behalf of the publication, Glasby" → "On behalf of the magazine, Glasby" though is it definitely the same Taylor Glasby as the other one mentioned?

• yes, same Glasby.

• Was making sure; that's fine then. --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• The ref from the table should be invoked after the Mnet mention as well as in its current area
• Move the music video mention to the section that is titled that; do the same for the video awards in the table
• "The song also achieved" → "The song achieved"
• Target should solely be on "weekly music programs" instead
• "of six awards including" → "of six awards, including"
• "due to its substantial success" → "due to being a substantial success"
• The cols below the header of the table should not be centered
• All refs should be centered in both tables
• I did say to move the music video awards to the most relevant section, though [37][38] should be in separate cols in the new order since one is for the nominee and the other is for the winner

 Done all

Commercial performance

• "first domestic number-one" → "first domestic number one"
• "of the October 2016 issue of" → "in October 2016 on"

• changed "of the October" to "for the October", I don't think this is reading weird.

• In its current state it isn't reading weird, though was initially. --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• reworded accordingly.

• "Gaon Monthly Digital Chart based on" → "Gaon Monthly Digital Chart, based on"
• ""Blood Sweat & Tears" has sold over" → "the song has sold over"
• "In addition, the song peaked at" → "The song peaked at"
• "becoming their second number one following" → "becoming the band's second chart topper, following on from"
• "BTS became the third Korean act to chart on the Canadian Hot 100, peaking at number 86," → "the song led to BTS becoming the third Korean act to chart on the Canadian Hot 100 by peaking at number 86,"
• "it topped the" → "the song topped the"

• Kept it as "it" since we are taking of the "single" here and not the "song".

• Maybe write "the single album" since you write "its" as the next reference after this in the same sentence? --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• "second number-one single" → "second number one single" though [58] does not back up this claim

• added a suitable ref. to support the claim.

• That's cute, but remove the dash since that is not used for separation in this context. --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• "The single sold" → "The song sold"

We are talking about the "single" here and not the song.

• "The single album" sold is more appropriate, then. --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

•  Done

• "It sold 273,000 copies in the month of May 2017," → "In May 2017, the song sold 273,000 copies,"

• kept the "it" to avoid repetition of "single" / "single album" per above.

• Probably just change to "the single" to avoid repetition of "the single album". --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

•  Done

• "than their previous" → "than the band's previous"
• "it was the" → "the former ranked as the"
• "in the country." → "in Japan."
• "the first being their" → "the first being BTS'"
• Target "Mic Drop" and "DNA" to their song wikis
• "It additionally charted at" → ""Blood Sweat & Tears" additionally charted at"
• "on the issue date of" → "for the issue dated"
• "which was the highest debut..." number one has to be the highest debut if it is marked as one, so remove this bit
• "received platinum certification from the" → "was certified platinum by the"
• "of 250,000 copies." → "of 250,000 copies in Japan."

 Done everything else

Music videos

• "The music video for "Blood Sweat & Tears" premiered on" → "An accompanying music video was released to"
• "by a teaser released on" → "by a teaser, which was released via"
• "and Quick Style Crew under" → "and Quick Style Crew, under"
• "was credited as the" → "received credit as the"
• "GyeungSeok Kim served as the gaffer and MoonYoung Lee as the art director." → "GyeungSeok Kim and MoonYoung Lee served as the gaffer and art director, respectively."
• "long visual is heavy with" → "long visual heavily contains"
• "symbolism and explores the concepts" → "symbolism, and explores the concepts"
• "Scene showing seven members" → "A scene showing the seven members of BTS" if that is correct, on the img main text I mean here
• [66][6][68] should be put in numerical order
• "The video opens with the seven members" → "The music video opens with the seven members of BTS"
• "which is filled with" → "that is filled with"
• "to show the band" → "to showing the band"
• "The clip alternates between close-up" → "Footage alternates between close-up"
• "group-shots performing" → "group-shots to the performance of"
• [66][15] put in numerical order
• "In some scenes, they" → "In some scenes, BTS"
• "blow smoke and jump to and" → "blow smoke, and jump to and"
• "the members are seen" → "the band members are seen"
• "or are confined by extravagant rooms having" → "or being confined by extravagant rooms that have"
• Mention that Thus Spoke Zarathustra is a novel
• ", and the paintings" → " and the paintings" since the comma is not needed here
• Put the years of the paintings in brackets
• "of emotions such as" → "of emotions, including"
• "fallen Icarus, bears testimony" → "fallen Icarus bears testimony"
• "a biblical story-line" → "a Biblical story-line" with the target
• "by portraying members in" → "through portraying members in"
• Target decadent to Decadence
• "which reference to afterlife." → "which are in reference to afterlife."
• "V is seen posing with his wings ripped off conveying," → "V poses with his wings ripped off to convey"
• Fuse should not be italicised
• "atmosphere of the video and" → "atmosphere of the music video, and"
• Citation for Glasby is not invoked here?

• invoked it now.

• "Herman of Billboard noted the" → "Herman noted the"
• "ranked it number nine" → "ranked the visual at number nine"
• [73] should be at the end of the sentence after [72]
• "in their decade-end list" → "on their decade-end list"
• "of 2010s," → "of the 2010s,"
• "achieving over 6.3 million views" → "surpassing 6.3 million views"
• "it garnered over 10 million views becoming" → "it had garnered over 10 million views on the platform and became"
• Remove "at that time" since the "became" bit makes this relatively obvious
• "It was the most-viewed" → "The visual was the most viewed"
• "An accompanying music video for the" → "A music video for the"
• "of "Blood Sweat & Tears", was uploaded to Universal Music Japan's" → "of "Blood Sweat & Tears" was uploaded to Universal Japan's"
• "While it centers around art like the Korean version," → "While it is centered around art like the Korean version's video,"
• "and references to the" → "and includes references to the"
• "of those of BTS' previous 2015 singles "I Need U" and "Run"." → "of those for "I Need U" and "Run"."
• Target psychedelic to Psychedelic drug
• "it features a dark alternate" → "the music video features a dark alternate"
• "in which the members" → "in which the band members"

 Done all

Live performances

• "and the album," → "and Wings,"
• "first time on" → "first time during"

• I don't think "during" is correct here.

• This sentence does need altering though, since "on" is used two times too close. --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• wrote "for" instead.

• "the group appeared on" → "the band appeared on"
• "and Inkigayo where they also performed "Am I Wrong" and "21st Century Girl"." → "and Ikigayo, where they also performed "Blood Sweat & Tears"."

• added the "," like last time but kept the original wording.

• These songs are not backed up as being performed; I though this was a typo myself at first? --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• added ref. to support the claim.

• "alongside their 2016 single "Fire" on" → "alongside "Fire" on"
• "On December 2, 2016, the band performed the song" → "On December 2 of that year, the band performed the former"

 Done all

Track listing

• Retitle to Track listings as it is more than one
• Should Limited Edition C have the full length listed?

• I don't think so.

• Alright --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done all

Credits and personnel

• Remove target on You Never Walk Alone
• Pdogg should come directly after Kim Doohyon and switch the order of songwriting and production for him
• KM-MARKIT should be in all caps instead

 Done all

Charts

Weekly charts

• UK Independent Singles → UK Independent Singles Chart (OCC) with the targets
• US World Digital Songs (Billboard) → US World Digital Song Sales (Billboard)
• Remove target on Japan Hot 100
• Are you sure the Top Singles Sales chart is notable?

• Should it not be included?

• It seems not notable considering there are other Japan charts, like how UK Singles Chart would warrant no inclusion of UK Singles Download for example. --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• removed.

 Done all

Monthly charts

• Good

Year-end charts

• The Korean version charts should come before the Japanese version for consistency

 Done

Certifications and sales

• Retitle to Certifications
• Remove South Korea and USA since they are not certified
• Invoke the ref that backs up the 310,276 sales

 Done all

Release history

• Good

See also

• Good

Notes

• are for both Korean → are for both the Korean
• of the song unless → of the song, unless

 Done

References

• Great job with the archiving!
• Copyvio score looks good at 24.2%
• Ref 5 is citing the incorrect release; those citations are for the album and do not provide anything about the song being a single

• the fact the song was released ad the "lead single" is mentioned in the Billboard ref. numbered [7]. Will that suffice?

• Yes but you do need the iTunes citations to back up digital download and streaming, but they can be changed to the ones for the song instead of the album so it is about this article and not the Wings one. --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake, there isn't any separate iTunes ref. available for just the song; it's a common practice where the Korean artists release the lead single and the album on the same day. Could you suggest what should be done?--Ashleyyoursmile! 07:52, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• Ashleyyoursmile Either find a ref that states it was released for digital download and streaming, or remove that part and just keep that it was released as the "lead single", since that is directly stated by a reliable source. --K. Peake 09:50, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake, I added Melon ref., it's a Korean service that allows both digital download and streaming. Is that okay? --Ashleyyoursmile! 12:05, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• Ashleyyoursmile Yes it is, but use it wherever appropriate. --K. Peake 17:40, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake, can you elaborate what you mean by this? --Ashleyyoursmile! 07:01, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

• Ashleyyoursmile Invoke it wherever the digital download/streaming is/was sourced by the Wings iTunes ref, e.g the Release history table. --K. Peake 07:06, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

• Tower Records Japan should be publisher instead for ref 13
• Wikilink Dazed instead on ref 15
• Target The Singles Jukebox to Stylus Magazine on ref 23
• TV/Daily Sports should be publisher instead for ref 24, though are you sure it is the correct name to cite here?
• Fill ref 34 in properly by adding Billboard
• Wikilink Naver on ref 35
• mama.mwave.me → Mama on ref 37

• cited it as "MWave" instead.

• Cite News1 as publisher instead for ref 45

• It's a newspaper so kept it as "work".

• Wikilink Gaon Music Chart on ref 49
• Remove wikilink on Gaon Music Chart for ref 53 and add language parameter
• Remove wikilink on Big Hit Entertainment for ref 69
• Add a publisher/work for ref 70
• Target The Inquisitr News to Inquisitr on ref 75
• Remove wikilink on YouTube for ref 78 and lay it out the same as the other YT citations
• Wikilink Asia Today on ref 83

• This Asia Today and the one cited in the article are not equivalent.

• Ref 91 is missing a publisher
• Cite Recorded Music NZ as publisher instead for ref 93, with the wikilink
• officialcharts.com → Official Charts Company on ref 95, citing as publisher (of course) with the wikilink

 Done everything else

Final comments and verdict

•  On hold though I noticed throughout the review that your writing skills have improved despite them being good from the get-go, well done on a relatively noticeable improvement however! --K. Peake 21:06, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake, thank you again for reviewing another GAN for me, I am really grateful. I have addressed the concerns above except a few where I have left comments. Please let me know what you think. --Ashleyyoursmile! 16:07, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

• Ashleyyoursmile It is a pleasure, I have replied to your comments above. --K. Peake 07:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

• Kyle Peake, even though you reviewed the entire article in a single day, it took me some time to address all comments this time. Poor network connectivity got me delayed here. I've fixed the ref. like you suggested. Thank you again. --Ashleyyoursmile! 13:29, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

• Ashleyyoursmile I have removed an overlink and will now ✓ Pass this, though the delayed response does not irritate me. Always a pleasure to work with you! --K. Peake 16:07, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.