Talk:Bootstrapping

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Definition[edit]

Suggest replacing "proceeds" with "starts" in the definition. Bootstraps of all kinds do indeed use outside resources, once they get going. It's the starting point of self-sufficiency that is the key insight, and also ties in all the metaphors and applications.

adding more color: Every self-sustaining reaction brings about external resources to bear. For example, a bootstrap startup (my area), requires first a founder, then 2, then an idea, then customers, then an organization. The reason the process is self-sustaining is precisely because it brings in external elements in the right sequence!

If you look at the creation myths (pulling by hair or bootstraps), it's all about realizing you already have all the available resources at hand and do not need anything external (like funding in startups) to get going. Self-starting with only existing resources on hand is the key insight. In fact, where the metaphor is weak is in addressing the ongoing process. Bootstrap entrepreneurs are constantly having to add and curate new elements to help their ventures proceed to the next level. The following bootstrap map will help illustrate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgoswami (talkcontribs) 21:45, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Bootstrapping is not about cowboy boots[edit]

Bootstrapping is primarily about the data re-sampling and randomization (statistics), but it is not about the store "Allens Boots -- Cowboy Boots in Texas" as it is right now with link covered by metaphors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NewBridge11 (talkcontribs) 00:06, 1 October 2012 (UTC) I just found the subpage "Resampling(statistics) -- I am afraid that the busy reader will jump to the end and miss the middle due to the excessive length of article. NewBridge11 (talk) 00:34, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

True, bootstrapping is not about leather boots, and ball bearings are not footballs (not even in shape), but there is a clear etymology and metaphorical connection. That is how languages evolve. When a new concept is invented such as the computer bootstrap load concept in the 1950s, and they needed to give it a name, the word bootstrap had already evolved through several intermediary concepts from the leather bootstrap on cowboy boots to mean a series of self-sustaining processes that proceed without external help. The 17 subsections in the "Applications" section illustrate how compelling the general concept has been. This article is not excessively long and consists of a short paragraph for each word sense, which makes it much more easy to understand than a short disambiguation page. Greensburger (talk) 03:28, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Research section[edit]

No source cited in this section about bootstrapping as a term that describes a database search technique. I've never heard that term used in that way and haven't located a source to confirm. Any objections to deleting it? Cseanburns (talk) 21:36, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

This section was added 29 February 2012 by an editor who wasn't sure what main topic to link to (those are their only two article edits). I added a link to Information retrieval as my best take on what the main topic should be. The overview section says "The process may then be iterated if the user wishes to refine the query." I agree that it may be a stretch to call iterating or refining a search query "bootstrapping". Bootstrapping implies a small nudge to jump-start a more sophisticated process. Whereas many search query "processes" are already done before they even get started—the "bootstrapping" search finds what the user was looking for and ends the process before the first iteration. I agree that this section could be deleted. - Wbm1058 (talk) 23:11, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I agree with Wbm1058. Narrowing a search is often an iterative process, but is not bootstrapping. Greensburger (talk) 19:45, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Section removed. As a search strategy, it is off topic. Cseanburns (talk) 14:20, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

Source 2 and 3 on the history of the word are apparently no longer available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.131.1.161 (talk) 21:19, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

I located them and updated the links. – wbm1058 (talk) 23:37, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Sources for "media bootstrapping"[edit]

http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/theword/2009/01/bootstraps_and.html 108.39.227.211 (talk) 23:09, 14 August 2017 (UTC)!