Talk:Borozdinovskaya operation

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http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/newstext/news/id/814525.html - PietervHuis (talk) 02:23, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Moved here (mostly unrelated, might be used somewhere maybe)

Early in the 1990s, the situation for minorities in Chechnya had been relatively good (compared to later as well as in other areas), largely due to the policy of separatist president Dzhokar Dudayev. Dudayev was an ardent Chechen nationalist, but at the same time was regarded as being largely sympathetic to plight of minorities. He spoke Russian, Estonian (from his time in Estonia) and Chechen fluently; and his wife was an ethnic Russian. During his reign (1990–1995), Dudayev preached that Chechnya should be a republic tolerant of minorities, citing the importance of Chechen hospitality in traditional morals as backing for this policy. For example, Russian schools in Grozny were not abolished (as they were in many other republics which proclaimed independence) despite the construction of new Chechen schools and the strains this put on the budget. Non-ethnic Chechens (Russians, Jews (notably, however, many Jews are highly integrated into the Chechen clan system), Armenians, Nogais, etc.) were offered citizenship, a privilege that minorities lack in Estonia or Latvia even today, for example. The ethnically tolerant nature of the early Chechen leadership has been noted and emphasized by many observers: Chechen, Western (for example, Paul B. Henze or Tony Wood ) and even liberal Russians (Tlyasova, Politkovskaya, and most notably Lvin and Illarionov ). During the First Chechen War, however, Dudayev was assassinated. The urban center of Grozny was laid to waste by Russian bombing, causing the mass exodus of urban (and more moderate) Russians from the republic, and also destroying a scene of ethnic peace in the republic (the city of Grozny). Even worse, a considerable number of the Russians fought on the Russian side, ensuring that Russians living in Chechnya were no longer viewed by the Chechens as being vulnerable ethnic minorities, but rather as dangerous traitors or even infiltrators of their land, who could possibly jeopardize their hard-won independence. The post-war period was extremely militarized, politically chaotic, and there was much destruction and poverty, making it an ideal breeding ground for ethnic conflict.

Historical relations between Avars and Chechens are often inconsistent. On one hand, conflict between Avars and Chechens is not only recent. Twice during the Middle Ages, the Avars tried to conquer the Chechens, meeting fierce resistance, and more recently, in the 19th century, the ethnic Avar Imam Shamil forcefully added Chechnya to his Imamate. The Chechens tolerated this for a time because he was viewed as the lesser evil and Avars and Chechens had a common foe: Russia. However, Shamil's interpretation of Islam led to conflicts not only with the Avar elite, but with the Chechens as a whole, and there were numerous uprisings in which Avar fought Chechen. On the other hand, there has been considerable cross-cultural fertilization between Avars and Chechens, historically they have been allies against both Russians and (earlier) Mongols and Turkic peoples. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.18.127.154 (talk) 12:43, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I put this here. While a lot of it is unrelated, the reason I felt it was necessary was that for many similar atrocities, their pages on Wikipedia have much info on the history leading up to it. I felt, for that reason, that it was important to state it (in the sense that if I didn't, people might interpret this as an episode of some long Chechen-Avar hatred, which is wrong on so many levels). Generally, the relations between the two peoples were positive, historically, except when the rulers of one group tried to conquer the other; this incident is really the one exception, but the Chechens that did it are hated by all of their kin (though the reason is because they are perceived traitors of the Chechen nation).

I do see that this could (and maybe should) be moved somewhere else; perhaps we can make a page on historical and modern Chechen-Avar relations (not unlike the pages on Armenian-Kurdish or Armenian-Assyrian relations here on wiki) and make a link to it. There is a lot of history for both groups, and both groups are rather prominent in the Caucasus (I wouldn't say Chechen-Avar relations should be equated to Chechen-Dagestani relations, because the absorption of Avaria into Dagestan occured only recently)... If we do, I would probably work to elaborate more on the history of the interaction between the two neighboring groups. --Yalens (talk) 23:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

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