Talk:Borussia Dortmund team bus bombing/Archive 1

Archive 1

Rename

Rename 2017 attack on Borussia Dortmund team bus to 2017 Borussia Dortmund team bus attack? Fatty wawa (talk) 06:36, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Moved. Thank you.--Rævhuld (talk) 12:22, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Terrorism

It's terrorism according to officials. But we are still not sure if the crime had an islamist background. So I have just added the terrorism tags.--Rævhuld (talk) 12:32, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Better yet, it's terrorism according to the basic principles of terrorism. A high-profile scare, a clear set of demands and a threat of worse to come if the demands aren't met. Unlike when a Muslim simply kills people in public during a climate of fear, there's no need to piece together bits of background to come up with a rough guess on motive.

Presuming the claim made in the name of graciousness and mercy is the legit one, the motivation was closing down Ramstein and having Germany withdraw from Syria. The grievance is that too many people are being killed. The people being killed in this case are Muslim, and stopping the war would benefit ISIS as well, but advocating "thou shalt not kill" is hardly particular to Islam, and not killing anyone doesn't smell like hardline Islamism/jihadism. Just classic kumbaya hippie crap, but repackaged for a new era. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Claims of responsibility

The one-page letter claiming responsibility, found at the scene of the attack, has a jihadist background, and it's currently being investigated; the jihad angle has not been confirmed by the authorities yet. The letter references the 2016 Berlin attack, but also the German participation in the fight against the IS, specifically the Tornado recon missions, and support for American military forces via Ramstein airforce base; it states that prominent German sports personalities & other VIPs are now targets on a jihad death list – http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/explosion-in-dortmund-polizei-prueft-islamistischen-hintergrund-nach-anschlag-auf-bvb-bus-1.3461809 … a second claim of responsibility was published on the internet, coming from the radical left Antifa, but they are possibly using the attack as a free ride to criticize Borussia Dortmund's allegedly half-baked measures to counter Neo-Nazis in the Dortmund ultra fan base – http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/attacke-auf-bvb-bus-zweites-bekennerschreiben-aus-linker-szene-aufgetaucht-1.3461891 84.162.33.157 (talk) 08:28, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

There has been found two letters. One is from IS (crime scene) and one from Antifa (online). I tried to write some text to it. You are welcome to correct it.--Rævhuld (talk) 12:23, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm wondering if the ISIL and Islamistic Terror boxes should be removed for now? Seems early as no individual group is confirmed right now and the minister of interior confirmed today they look into all directions, incl. violent football fans and left/right wing terror as there are doubts on the credibility of the letters?! Jake Brockman (talk) 14:17, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

2020

State terrorism --Fixuture (talk) 13:56, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Timezone

Between the last Sunday in March and the last Sunday in October, Germany uses Central European Summer Time (CEST) (UTC+02:00). As this attack took place on 11 April, the local time should be given in CEST. I've changed it to that a couple of times, but each time it has been changed back to Central European Time (CET) (UTC+01:00) which only applied until 26 March this year. -- de Facto (talk). 23:11, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Are there any objections to me changing it back to the correct timezone - CEST? -- de Facto (talk). 21:42, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

@DeFacto: You definitely should, it's simply wrong at the moment. Smurrayinchester 08:16, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

I re-modified it adding a reference with the times in UTC. I think that the problem is that the BVB official site wrongly reports the time zone as CET, while the correct one is obviously CEST. Aka-Red (talk) 08:57, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

German Media Claims: The Greedy and Miserly Suspect

The article is using this claim from The Guardian: "According to German media reports, Sergej W bought 15,000 put warrants for €78,000(£65,300) and could have gained up to €3.9m as a result of a large drop in Dortmund’s shares." But 'Sergej W.' bought (among four different things) 15.000 put warrants for 18 Cents (€0.18) with a basis (!) value of €78,000 for exactly €2,700. You can find many different (!) amounts of money in the German press, the suspect could have spend. One of the most respected newspapers in Germany is Wirtschaftswoche, they calculated "around 8.000 Euro"!! See here: Mutmaßlicher Attentäter setzte weniger als 10.000 Euro ein / Alleged assassin used less than 10,000 Euros But the story is much more strange, 'Sergey W.' might have a "consumer loan" from a bank with "to my knowledge 79,000 Euro" (Minister for Interior in NRW "Ralf Jäger") - but he did not (!) spent it! And there is another problem: The suspect has a (possible) Jewish surname and was anonymously accused (via e.g. 4Chan) to kill for "making shekles", his name is (more or less) public for everyone in Germany, who knows Google. Wirtschaftswoche says, it was not (!) possible to win millions with such a small investments. So some of the rumours in the German press (e.g. "Habgier", Stereotypes_of_Jews#Greed) could be wrong! --91.60.3.91 (talk) 12:52, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

According to this Der Spiegel article Mutmaßlicher BVB-Attentäter Das Phantom aus dem Schwarzwald he is a Christian who uses to go to church. --Edelseider (talk) 19:40, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Process concluded

It may need to be mentioned in the article, that sergej W. was found guilty and sentenced to 14 years in prison on November 27th 2018. --1234567891011a (talk) 16:20, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

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