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In the stats on the more information box at the start of the article, information has been grossly distorted. I have changed the HDI rank and the official language, but I am an amateur at this and someone with better knowledge and know-how, please change whatever is incorrect. Laziness Elemental (talk) 09:55, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Where are the sources for 2018 HDI?AndrewMacDonald111 (talk) 19:06, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

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Is it appropriate to mention that Botswana has a dominant-party system in the infobox?

In the South African and Singaporean infoboxes the fact they are under a dominant-party system is clearly mentioned, but in Botswana's there is no such mention, despite the fact that the BDP has been in power ever since Botswana became an independent nation. Because it seemed odd that its dominant-party nature wasn't mentioned in the infobox I thought there must be a good reason and hence I should ask here before adding it to the infobox. So, why isn't its dominant-party nature mentioned? Fuse809 (contribs · email · talk · uploads) 18:07, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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Why shouldn't government_type specify that this is a parliamentary republic with an executive presidency?

@Vif12vf: I'm sure you had a very good reason for reverting my edit (that mentioned in the infobox that Botswana isn't just a parliamentary republic, but it has an executive presidency), I'd just like to ask what it was. I added that because I felt being specific, but concise, was a good idea. Switzerland's article has a longer government_type field in its infobox, so it didn't seem like the length of the government_type field would be a problem. Fuse809 (contribs · email · talk · uploads) 23:23, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

"Parliamentary republic with an executive presidency" is not the name of any excisting system, we only add the names of acctually excisting systems, not sentences analyzing the government type in more length. Furthermore, your change requires reliable sources, preferably third-party ones! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 23:37, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
The CIA source says that the President heads the executive (as head of government), and that it's a parliamentary republic, and surely the CIA factbook is a "reliable source". But, assuming you've read that source before reading this reply and deemed it not worthy, will this source, which says and I quote, "These two countries [Botswana and South Africa] have parliamentary systems, which derived from the English style of parliament," and later: "the constitution of Botswana has created an executive presidency in which the President is both Head of State and Government," suffice? Fuse809 (contribs · email · talk · uploads) 23:49, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
No, i would not count the CIA as reliable, quite the contrary in fact. It is however important to note that the president and his staff are often referred to as "the executive" even if they dont really hold any considerable amount of executive powers. If however the president holds considerable executive powers but government is formed by the leader of a parliamentary majority, the system would be that of a semi-presidential republic, whereas a republic where the president forms the government is a presidential republic. However as it seems the presidents of Suriname, Switzerland, Myanmar, South Africa and Botswana and the captain-regents of San Marino are all elected by parliament, even if they have executive powers they are elected through parliamentary majority which means that by definition they are parliamentary republics with somewhat unique systems, there is no separate name for this system! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 00:06, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Then what's wrong with using the common sense title for them, parliamentary republics with an executive presidency? These sources indicate they're parliamentary systems, and they also indicate their presidency is an executive one, so what's wrong with calling them what they are? You seem like a very enthusiastic fella given you use exclamation marks even when there's no reason to be shouting. Fuse809 (contribs · email · talk · uploads) 00:13, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
My use of certain symbols to this degree comes from the fact that i am not a native english-speaker! Now, a system where the person who forms the government is elected by the parliament is simply a parliamentary republic, regardless of whether it is a president or prime minister/premier. However, it is possible to add a note-mark in the government-section explaining the system used in Botswana, but calling it "parliamentary republic with an executive presidency" is too lengthy and does not have to be separate from other systems in their overall functionality. And since any presidential candidate relies on parliamentary majority, it means parliament really wields the most power. The government-section is also only meant to be used for acctual recognised government-types like presidential republic, constitutional monarchies or socialist states (for example), we as editors can however not go past excisting terms and invent our own systems based on how certain countries are diferent, because in practice, no countries really work the same way even if they have certain government traits in common! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 00:45, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
I don't agree that it's too lengthy, given that Switzerland's government_type field is longer than this, and it's not really cramped in the infobox. While you're right that no two countries function exactly the same, despite potentially being similar, suggesting that this is grounds for not classifying them similarly would, if taken to its logical conclusion, mean we shouldn't classify systems of government at all in the infobox. Because no two unitary parliamentary constitutional republics function exactly the same, so why use this classification system at all then? But clearly, in this case, you recognize the importance of classifying similar systems the same, so why not recognize the importance of classifying parliamentary republics with an executive presidency differently to those with a ceremonial presidency? Traditionally parliamentary republics have a ceremonial head of state, in fact, some definitions of parliamentary republic even require this, so it seems important to note that this is not the case in this case. Fuse809 (contribs · email · talk · uploads) 00:58, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Well the thing about Switzerland is that because of their complex type of government, there arent really and easier way of explaining their unique system. Thing about Botswana however is that regardless of his executive powers, he still relies entirely on having a parliamentary majority. And in terms of executive powers, as far as i know there are no presidents without any such powers at all, so it isn't excactly entirely unique. The List of countries by system of government however lists Botswana and South Africa as having "Mixed parliamentary republican systems", so perhaps this is the right term? Would probably be better to use a term that already excists in this list rather than creating a new one which requires discussion and concensus on other government-related talk-pages before it can be implemented according to wikipedia standards! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 01:18, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
That term was one added to the article without a ref, based on the term "mixed-republican system" mentioned at the parliamentary republic article, so I'd say it's just as made up. Mixed parliamentary republican system is less specific, however. The name could mean anything that involves a mixture between different republican systems with some parliamentary features. "Parliamentary republic with an executive presidency" is more clear. There's no ambiguity there. So, since you believe there is a need to get consensus on this term before adding it again to this article on government-related talk pages, which talk page do you suggest this conversation would be most appropriate for? Fuse809 (contribs · email · talk · uploads) 01:23, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

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Pronunciation : Really?

Botswana (/bɒtˈswɑːnə/ (audio speaker iconlisten), also UK: /bʊt-, bʊˈtʃw-/[14]),

I see that the Collins Dictionary thinks Brits say Butch-waana. I've certainly never heard it like that. Francis Hannaway (talk) 11:23, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree with you needs to be changed, I have also added ethnonym under the infobox - DownTownRich (talk) 03:26, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
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