Talk:Bounty (reward)

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Distinguish Bounty v Reward?[edit]

If we're going to redirect "reward" here, we should discuss the distinctions between "bounties" and "rewards." As it stands, this article is not only incomplete, but factually incorrect- technically, the sum of money offered for the capture of Saddam Hussein (or anyone else) is a reward, not a bounty. Generally speaking, a "reward" is a sum of money that is payable once, to one person who accomplishes the requested task (capturing a fugitive, finding a bicycle), whereas a "bounty" is a sum of money offered to a number of people, each of whom accomplish the requested task (killing dangerous animals, growing certain crops). The legal encyclopedia at Answers.com is a good place to start. Also, I'm aware that this distinction is not always as clear as I'm making it out to be, particularly in the vernacular. Anyone else have time to fix this up? QuixoticKate 16:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, the Microsoft program issues rewards, not bounties, as money is only offered for the creators of certain particular viruses.[1] QuixoticKate 20:06, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest merging this article with "Reward". Why not? rewinn 06:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Did you actually read my comments? They already are merged, in the sense that there is no separate article for reward and that page redirects here, but there is a semantic distinction to be made between them, and rewards are not discussed at all in the "bounty" article. (This is also obvious from the note at the top of the article indicating that "Reward" redircts here.)QuixoticKate 20:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mutiny on the Bounty[edit]

Also, unless we find some sources for the Mutiny on the Bounty blurb, it should be deleted. As it stands, it looks like an urban legend. QuixoticKate 16:16, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've deleted the urban legend since it's unsourced and ... it's just funny to follow such an unlikely tale with the Middle English origin of the word which is almost identical to modern usage. rewinn 06:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gitmo[edit]

I changed a sentence for being politically motivated and because I thought it was unsourced (since the citation was placed before the comma in the sentence, instead of at the end). Specifically I removed everything after the first comma from

Bounty hunters provided most of the prisoners held in Guantánamo Bay detainment camp[3], most of whom were later released or are slated for release, after having been cleared of any wrongdoing.

concerning the Guantanamo prisoners. After quickly skimming the article, Ive decided the entire sentences may in fact be supported by the article. Nevertheless, I am choosing to keep my changes, as I still think that the comment was politically motivated and is not relevant to the article. Please let me know if you disagree. Njerseyguy 04:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Examples[edit]

I'm an italian student from a History of English Culture class and as part of my exam I'm going to improve this article. My teacher assigned to me a task: insert main paragraph before "Examples". Patrick.ucciardo (talk) 16:13, 18 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Revert of "Rewards and Evidences" section[edit]

Some explanation of this revert is probably appropriate. In brief, and in order of importance as I see it:

  • The entire section is unsourced.
  • The length of the section and its specificity to 17th century England may be WP:UNDUE given the length and content of the rest of the article.
  • The section's placement (i.e., right after the article lede) is probably not appropriate.
  • The section suffers from some grammatical and spelling errors that impair readability.

-Starke Hathaway (talk) 16:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bibliography (sources)[edit]

My aim is to give some information by adding to the paragraph "Historical Examples" two more subsections about the 17th and 18th centuries. I would focus on how the penal system changed because of the introduction of the rewards and how its implementation simplified the fight against crime.

Doing my work I will look for rewards and its effects in these books:

  • J.M. BEATTIE, POLICING AND PUNISHMENT IN LONDON, 1660-1750: URBAN CRIME AND THE LIMITS OF TERROR, Oxford, Oxford University Press, 2001.
  • J.M. BEATTIE, CRIME AND THE COURTS IN ENGLAND, 1660-1800, Princeton, Princeton University Press, 1986.
  • T.HITCHCOCK and ROBERT SHOEMAKER, TALES FROM THE HANGING COURT, London, 2007.
  • G.J. DURSTON, WHORES AND HIGHWAYMEN: CRIME AND JUSTICE IN THE EIGHTEENTH-CENTURY METROPOLIS, Waterside Press, 2012.
  • J.H. LANGBEIN, SHAPING THE EIGHTEENTH-CENTURY CRIMINAL TRIAL: A VIEW FROM THE RYDER SOURCES, Chicago, University of Chicago Law Review, 1983.
  • The Proceedings of the Old Bailey, 1674 to 1913, www.oldbaileyonline.org

Obviously I will accept any suggestion. Patrick.ucciardo (talk) 16:51, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions for the Wikiproject[edit]

Hi again Patrick.ucciardo, I read your work for the wikiproject and I really appreciated it. I know that you will add a subsection about the 18th century, you could describe how rewards changed the administration of the law by considering an historical perspective and how this system was gradually managed differently according to the intensification or decrease of the crime and the different kind of offence. You could also add more notes (as you suggested me) since they add reliability to the article. Gio1291 (talk) 17:58, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gio1291, actually I was organising my work in order to complete (and then upload) the paragraph about "18th century examples". Your suggestions are very good and I really appreciate your interest. Thank you very much! I'm going to write about how the statutory and the proclamation reward system differently contributed to the fight against crime. I will definitely add more notes in order to make my work as realiable as possible. Patrick.ucciardo (talk) 18:22, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The organisation into sections seems fine to me, and seems to have answered the criticism about undue length. The most serious criticism of your original version was that it was not sourced. Every statement should be documented (with page numbers). There is also a good deal of confusion: more care needed! e.g. the rewards became systematic in the reign of William not Queen Anne. Please read Bettie more carefully and see his other book (Policing and Prosecution) where the rear system is explained carefully. You should also look at (and could quote briefly from) the legislation, which is all online http://www.british-history.ac.uk/statutes-realm/vol6/pp390-391 As for Langbein the most useful of his books is The Origins of the Adversary Trial. What about citing some examples of rewards being paid from the Old Bailey Online? Creating a link to thief-takers, and Jonathan Wild in particular. Please also check for language mistakes. Buon lavoro! This topic deserves a good article. --Jfclegg (talk) 09:26, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Prof. Jfclegg thank you very much for your suggestions! Just want to say that I'm definitely follow your advices. I'm going to start right now the revision of my paragraphs. Have a nice day! --Patrick.ucciardo (talk) 12:32, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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