Talk:Braničevci

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It is clear that this tribe gave their name to the region, it is clear that the origin is Slavic and that the root bran means defend. But was this definitely a Slavic nation which existed alongside Serbs, Croats and Slovenes? Or might it have actually been one of the Serbian tribes, or anyone elses for that matter? I ask this because most tribes/clans who settled in northern Central Serbia tend to be original Serb settlers unlike those of southern Central Serbia (Torlakian areas) which tend to have their origins in the eastern South Slavic arrivals. Any information? Evlekis (talk) 13:47, 7 September 2008 (UTC) Blocked sock:Evlekis.[reply]

Info about them is far too scant. Contrary to what you say, scholars think that early Serb state was in south. Ie Novi Pazar region and southeastern Bosnia, specifically in the valleys if the Lim, Piva and Ibar rivers. Hxseek (talk) 17:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not a "Serb" tribe[edit]

Stefan Dragutin, King of Syrmia, conquered this region around 1291. Dragutin thereupon annexed Braničevo. For the first time, that province was in the hands of a Serb. (Fine, John V.A. - The Late Medieval Balkans: a critical survey from the late twelfth century to the Ottoman conquest. p. 220). Also, no primary sources call the Braničevci a Serbian tribe. So what is the explanation behind them being considered a Serb tribe by some? Historians, influenced by national romanticism and ideas of tribes uniting to form nations, started a practice of categorizing peoples and grouping tribes by nations. Braničevci were conquered and became Serbs only in the Late Middle Ages, but according to this historiographic practice this made them a Serb tribe, just on the basis of participating in the ethnogenesis of the Serbs. This doesn't make the early mediaeval Braničevci Serbian. (A similar example is Savia/Slavonia being considered Pannonian Croatia.) Zhmr (talk) 00:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

True. In fact, the Branicevci are not even mentioned until the High Middle Ages, i don't know where this '9th cenutry' came from Slovenski Volk (talk) 10:35, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]