Talk:Brazilian jiu-jitsu ranking system

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History[edit]

In 1914, Kanō dispatched Mitsuyo Maeda on the trip to Brazil

- this is at least misleading if not inaccurate. Maeda's first stop was New York in 1904, and he then bounced around a lot before arriving in Brazil in 1914. I haven't read anything to suggest that Kano specifically dispatched Maeda to Brazil, in particular, in 1914.

Changed. I agree that nothing in the cite seems to reflect that and it at least could be seen as misleading. Thanks. Buddy23Lee (talk) 20:23, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

I would suggest merging all of the belt articles to a single Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Ranks article as they are all unlikely to become large it would avoid repetition and be more friendly to the readers. --Natet/c 09:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Yea, I don't think that merging them to a generalized ranks page is a bad call. My only fear would be ending up with too much redundancy with the Main BJJ page (and possibly getting deleted).
As you know, the main BJJ page addresses ranks/belts to a general degree. The individual pages were obviously created attempting to be much more specific for each belt, and with the hopes that someone with a LOT of BJJ knowledge might come along at some point and expand them out with more detailed info (so they'd have a lot less of a stub feel to them).
A separate article regarding BJJ ranks would be nice, but I almost feel that something like that would need to be written by more of an "expert" on the topic. What do you think? Do you think that an average practitioner (or anyone for that matter) with just the right sources could craft it? Buddy23Lee (talk) 17:27, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I'd suggest we summarise the section on the main BJJ page & shift most of the content to the new article. the BJJ page is getting very long so the would be a good time to do it & add more content @ the same time. --Natet/c 09:46, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
I've starting work on merging and creating a verifiable Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Ranks page. Might be a week or two. Let me know if you have anything to contribute!! Buddy23Lee (talk) 05:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

stripes[edit]

black belts wear stripes, although they are called degrees, point is they still wear them. 98.206.155.53 (talk) 05:03, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you feel that info is not adequately covered by the last paragraph of the "stripes/degrees" section? Buddy23Lee (talk) 18:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Extra-promotional customs[edit]

Under: 

   "The newly-promoted student thrown by his instructors, and sometimes also by each of the students with equal or higher grade in the academy."

Is not clear the student is thrown where, to the groung or into the air? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.36.239 (talk) 04:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure it means doing a Throw (grappling). I believe that line came from the old unsourced stuff that was brought over from the main BJJ article. Either way, it all ends up back on the ground anyway. ;) Buddy23Lee (talk) 19:31, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: GreatOrangePumpkin (talk · contribs) 20:00, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    "The Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu ranking system awards a practitioner different colored belts (worn as part of the uniform) to signify increasing levels of technical knowledge and practical skill." - this "awards a practitioner different colored belts (worn as part of the uniform)" is awkward and should be reworded
    "While the system's structure shares its origins with the Judo ranking system and the origins of all colored belts, it now contains many of its own unique aspects and themes. " - Also a bit awkward. Remove second "the origins"; when exactly is "now"?
    Particularly the last sentence is very confusing and odd.
    Unfortunately the prose is generally awkward (eg " the first use of belts" - should be "types of belts", I think), so I put this on hold. Please request a copyedit as I can not continue if the prose is below standard
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

It's been three weeks and very little's been done on the prose, perhaps this should now be failed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 16:27, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Then I will fail it. The nominator can nominate this article any time in the future. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 10:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies gents, it was my first time nominating for GA and I was unaware of the importance of asking for a copyedit review ahead of time. Live and learn, right? Hopefully it'll be up to snuff soon. Thank you for your efforts. Buddy23Lee (talk) 23:49, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reader feedback: This page should be renamed ...[edit]

Tysonkamp posted this comment on 19 November 2013 (view all feedback).

This page should be renamed "IBJJF Ranking System". It is a direct reference of the IBJJF ranking system. For example, the white and red belt never existed in Brazilian Jiu JItsu or Gracie Jui Jitsu until a year or two ago when the IBJJF introduced it.

Any thoughts?

I agree with you that as the IBJJF currently administers the most commonly accepted BJJ belt rank system, one is essentially tantamount to the other. The main reason for the article's title nomenclature is WP:COMMONNAME. - "Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will be the most recognizable and the most natural." There are a still a whole lot of people who have no idea what BJJ is, let alone the acronym for its predominant regulatory authority, so that title might end up confusing a lot of readers. Nonetheless, your point is well taken, and I've always thought the article should contain plenty of examples of alternate systems. Back when this article was first written, there weren't many verifiable examples of those to be found however (most just made relatively minor adjustments to the prevailing system, such as putting an adult green belt between white and blue, for example). Perhaps there exist more now? I'd encourage you to find and add them. Maybe we could find enough to create a whole section of alternative systems. Buddy23Lee (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

31 years?[edit]

It says you need to stay a black belt for 31 years? Is that right? it sounds... ridiculous.--74.83.124.115 (talk) 21:41, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, I forgot about the degrees. nevermind--74.83.124.115 (talk) 21:45, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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