Talk:British Rail Class 801

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Proposed merge with British Rail Class 800[edit]

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Same thing, so most likely have same specifications. Aycliffe ^Talk Previously Tommietomato. 09:28, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose They're not the same thing - the difference is in whether there is a Diesel engine fitted or not. Class 800, which are to be electro-diesel, will be able to operate through to Aberdeen or Carmarthen; Class 801, which are to be straight electric, won't be able to work beyond Edinburgh or Swansea. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:43, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose One will be a straight EMU, the other a diesel-electric unit. Hammersfan (talk) 13:51, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support
- In [1] it notes that There will be electric-only (class 801) and bi-mode (class 800) variants of the class 800 series
- In technical terms the two will be the same - they will just differ in the number of the types of each carriage in the train. - The class 801 will have only one diesel powered carriage the class 800 approximately half the carriages with have a diesel power unit. The driving cars are identical. Background details also the same obviously. Prof.Haddock (talk) 22:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand how you can infer from the sentence that you indicate - or anything else in the doc that you have linked - that "the class 801 will have only one diesel powered carriage" - it won't have any, because it's electric-only: the doc uses the phrase "electric-only (class 801)" once, and "class 801 train (electric)" three times. In fact the doc uses the word "diesel" just twice - both times in the phrase "an existing diesel Intercity 125 HST". Nor does the doc suggest that in "class 800 approximately half the carriages with have a diesel power unit"; it describes class 800 as "bi-mode", which implies (but does not explicitly state) that these trains will be capable of operating from either diesel engine(s) or electric supply. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:13, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose For now I'm not sure there is a need for seperate articles but eventually there will be, once there is operational information to add 82.46.109.233 (talk) 10:31, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The two will be different, and while they can in principle be covered by Intercity Express Programme for now, we may as well leave these here. -mattbuck (Talk) 11:34, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - For all other production units we have a separate article for each class, even when the trains are almost identical (such as British Rail Class 375 and British Rail Class 377). This will ensure consistency. NRTurner (talk) 16:00, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not entirely true, 422 redirects to 421, 427 to 423, there are a few more. -mattbuck (Talk) 17:11, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not done - I think it's fairly clear there's no consensus to merge. -mattbuck (Talk) 12:27, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Diesel? Erroneous?[edit]

I think the references to diesel are from the original Class 800 wiki article from which this article was created? Someone with more knowledge than me needs to remove it. Especially under Prime mover.... Lawrence18uk (talk) 08:35, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think the 801 has "last mile" diesel capability for depots? -mattbuck (Talk) 13:41, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to

Pritchard, Robert (2021). British Railways Locomotives & Coaching Stock 2021. Sheffield: Platform 5 Publishing. p. 393. ISBN 978-1-909431-86-7.

The Class 801s are electric units, but still have one diesel engine fitted per unit for emergency use or for use on diversionary routes when coupled to a Class 800.

also

In the 5-car sets the single diesel engine is located in car 2 and in the 9-car units the diesel engine is located in car 8.

--Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:09, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redrose is correct. Nightfury 21:28, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Train horns[edit]

This story feels notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia, but I'm not sure whether to add it to this article, British Rail Class 800, or both. Thoughts? https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/transport/residents-of-village-near-skipton-prevented-from-using-public-footpath-because-lner-azuma-trains-on-the-airedale-line-have-been-fitted-with-the-wrong-horns-3281483 NemesisAT (talk) 10:05, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]