Talk:British Rail corporate liveries

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BR Steam-era logos[edit]

This needs to be covered properly somewhere, especially with some pictures, which appear to be rather hard to find!

I added the following to Steam locomotives of British Railways, as it seemed to fit within the livery section.

Two logos (or crests) were used during the period. The first logo (1948-1956) was the "Lion and Wheel" (sometimes nicknamed the "Cycling Lion"), showing a lion standing over a spoked wheel upon which the words "British Railways" were displayed.^[1]. The second logo (1956 - 1965) featured a lion holding a wheel (which gave rise to the nickname "ferret and dartboard"), sitting in a crown, with the words "British" and "Railways" to left and right. (Passenger stock and certain diesel locomotives used a roundel variant, where the words "British Railways" were in a ring surrounding the crest.)^[2] From 1965, the BR Corporate Image and "Double Arrow" logo was adopted, but this logo was not applied to steam locomotives (except on the Vale of Rheidol line).

^ Photo of early British Railways logo – in the form of an enamel badge
^ Photo of later British Railways logo – in the form of an enamel badge

I would have thought that this page should cover the topic of steam era liveries in more detail, or else link to a page where it was, but the above text will not easily drop-in to the existing article structure without a lot of work.

NB the two 'references' are to photos of enamel badges featuring the logos, as that's the best I've found so far!

EdJogg (talk) 11:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

carmine vs crimson ?[edit]

Since, according to the articles, carmine is a form of crimson, and vice versa, which was the official colour name used by BR?

EdJogg (talk) 22:05, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Amazed that this hasn't been changed before now. It should the "carmine" and not "crimson". I have amended this, but added an explanation that carmine is a form of crimson/red. 621PWC (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:23, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

BR Green[edit]

Not much detail in this article about locos and multiple units in BR Green, must of lasted over 10 years. Was the green used for steam locos the same as diesel locos and DMUs? - someone expand with pictures please (e.g. some preserved locos in BR Green?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.70.44 (talk) 22:24, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jaffa Cake[edit]

I always liked the Jaffa Cake livery used by some SR and ER EMUs - I believe this was light brown lower bodyside, darker brown window strip with an orange line between, hence the name? Not sure if anybody has any more info or sources that they could add this to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.94.137.1 (talk) 11:49, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This section should come AFTER the Intercity section 621PWC (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:17, 9 February 2014

Class 156 Picture[edit]

This picture is out of place in this article as it refers to a privatization livery (First Group) and not a British Railways/British Rail livery.621PWC (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:17, 9 February 2014

I've removed the image. Please note, when you sign posts to talk pages, you should use four tildes ~~~~ in order to append a timestamp to your signature. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:57, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ancilliary additions to liveries[edit]

Could someone with access to appropriate research documentation please add the following information:

Colour specifications and first introduction dates of

yellow "first class" bands
red buffet/catering vehicle bands
yellow warning panels (and date of conversion to full yellow fronts)
"no smoking" and "first class" window stickers, including changed shape introduced as part of the rail-blue corporate image programme)
cabside yellow stripes used during west-coast electrification

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weydonian (talk • contribs) 17:23, 27 January 2015

The first two came in together, initially on the Southern Region, but it later spread to the other regions. They were certainly in use on the SR by November 1962. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This needs to use genuine photos from the BR period.[edit]

The preservation photos should be removed. It is quite common for preservationists to make small mistakes when painting stock.

Black and white photos are OK - yes, they aren't in colour. However, colour photos can be misleading, i.e. they can misrepresent the colour due to technological constraints of the colour film. Monochrome photos often show the livery, and livery details, better. We have a lot of photos, and some early photos from Ben Brooksbank, the more illustrative ones need to be added to the article. Tony May (talk) 02:01, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What a mess of an article[edit]

No real references. Lots of snark. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.131.27.148 (talk) 09:56, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a disgrace[edit]

Why do so many articles like this about British railways lack references? 59.148.180.109 (talk) 06:20, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Photo of early British Railways logo – in the form of an enamel badge

[2] Photo of later British Railways logo – in the form of an enamel badge

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