Talk:Brogue (accent)

This article is rated Stub-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

Linguistics: Applied Linguistics

	Linguistics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Linguistics, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of linguistics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.LinguisticsWikipedia:WikiProject LinguisticsTemplate:WikiProject LinguisticsLinguistics articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by Applied Linguistics Task Force.
	This article has been automatically rated by a bot or other tool based on the length of the article. Please ensure the assessment is correct before removing the `\|auto=` parameter.

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment[edit]

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 January 2020 and 8 May 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): LaurenAllen00, Heynasol, Moringa0613, Ayr96, Kensy likes to edit sometimes. Peer reviewers: Jen35n, Ebootjones42, Yamjimenez, Debbie RT.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 16:18, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Removed from Article[edit]

A more likely explanation is found in Dineen's "Irish-English Dictionary" (page 82): BARRÓG: defective accentuation, hence the Anglo-Irish brogue. Compare BARRÓG TEANGAN, a lisp; a difficulty. The shoe explanation sounds like an folk etymology. The word would have sounded like "brogue" in the Munster dialect of Irish. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 156.63.68.175 (talk • contribs) .

A further quote from Eric Partridge's "A Short Etymological Dictionary of Modern English" states: "Brogue, a dial. pronunciation, especially the Irish pronunciation E: Ir BARRÓG, a hold or bond, e.g. on the tongue, hence a defective pronunciation, hence the English sense. A brogue is a strong Irish accent in the ENGLISH language not the Irish language although it derives from Gaelic pronunciation. I can find no instance of the Scottish accent being referred to as a brogue. It is usually called a "burr". I nominate this article for complete revision or deletion due to factual errors and unsourced assertions.

——————

Currently there's a sentence, which cites Walshe's Irish English as Represented in Film (but incorrectly lists page 4 and not page 15), and states that the well known origin of English language use of brogue is a false/folk etymology. That same page also claims that the barròg origin is outright incorrect due to research reported by Murphy 1943. I have to hunt the Murphy reference down someday. Dragonarras (talk) 20:02, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relationship with other Brogue accents[edit]

Brogue#Language mentions Mission brogue and Ottawa Valley brogue. It seems to me what makes those other accents "Brogues" is the fact that they were heavily influenced by Irish immigrants, but this article makes no mention currently of Brogues carried by Irish immigrants to other parts of the English speaking world. I added the reference to Brogue#Language at the top of the article, but maybe someone more qualified than myself would like to expand on it in the main body of the article. 95.90.235.121 (talk) 05:13, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]