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A fact from Bruce's Beach appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 December 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Bruce's Beach, which opened in the early 1910s in Manhattan Beach, California, was an African-American resort in an "otherwise lily-white community"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/December.

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Eminent domain[edit]

A useful thing to add to the article would be what excuse the city used when condeming the property in eminent domain. For what use did they claim it was needed? As someone who has never heard anything about this before reading the article, I find that the immediate question in my mind. LadyofShalott 06:49, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that section needs fleshing out. Those are good questions. At the very least there is more to add about the climate of animosity and racial antagonism that was taking place when the eminent domain was procesed. I think Doc may be taking some time to reexamine his political views now that he's aware of the outrageous government abuses, violations of individual rights, and private property confiscations that took place, but I'm hoping he can get back to making article improvements here soon. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eminent domain is only relevant to those who, mistakenly, believe in the concept of "private property." The remark by the Lady is, of course, highly relevant; I am afraid I found no sources that directly address this; the ones cited in the article confirm that it happened, but don't explain the ins and outs. I would imagine that Flamming and Sides (currently notes 3 and 4) might have something to say on the general topic. BTW, I didn't know that California was as sick as some other parts of the country in those days. Drmies (talk) 21:56, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maxine Hong-Kingston has some interesting books about the atrocious discrimination that took place against Chinese-Americans on the West Coast. Wealthy leftists like Al Gore and those in the Kennedy clan are often generous with other people's property and money, but far less so with their own. The sources suggest that once the property became valuable the minorities were no longer welcome. Did you read about the Ku Klux Klan stuff and a black swimmer being arrested for not obeying segregation? Shocking stuff that reminded me of Robert Byrd and the Southern Democrat populists that supported that kind of thing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And actually the roping off of beaches still take place up in Malibu (not based on race though, just private property owners wanting seclusion). It's very controversial and there's a group that goes and exercises public rights and visits areas that are legal to be on but difficult to get to, in order to highlight the issue. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:22, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Los Angeles Urban Rangers would be a very interesting article and they've received a lot of coverage. Here's their website [1], there's even a Netherlands tie in if you can believe it! And here's a site on the "safaris" [2]. Let me know when you're in town and we'll go on one to do some OR and get pics. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:28, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of people lose land to eminent domain. Were they paid a fair price for this land and was it used as intended? If so the family has nothing to stand on. If it wasn't, then they may have a case.

Archival photos[edit]

There are some old photos here [3]. I left a comment on one of them, but e-mailing the copyright holder might be helpful... ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:19, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Terrorism" or "friction"[edit]

See Special:PermanentLink/969799047#Bruce's_Beach for a previous discussion about the lead section's wording. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:51, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NYT article[edit]

Article, April 18. 2021.--- Possibly (talk) 04:41, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What portions (all?) of the park were returned?[edit]

Can someone add info into the article defining which portions of the park were returned to the descendants? The park consists of three pieces: (a) lifeguard tower; (b) parking lot; and (c) park/lawn.

The article says "... approve returning the county land where the LifeGuard Station was located...". Does that mean only the lifeguard 1/3 was returned to the descendants?

76.167.218.93 (talk) 16:38, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]