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https://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1997/vp971003/10020250.htm

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-los-angeles-times/146039633/

"In particular, the title track is an anthem-like declaration of freedom—what else?—that seems directed at her husband as much as her fans"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/style/1997/09/14/divorce-and-the-divas/d32a2261-130a-49f0-a84f-9816c6fbb40a/

"Fans are likely to read more than they probably should into lines like these from the title track: "Blindly I imagined I could keep you under glass/ now I understand to hold you/ I must open up my hands/ and watch you rise." Ten-to-one that's not what Tommy Mottola's thinking."

"The Afanasieff-produced title track is a lush pop ballad that frames Carey's voice quite effectively and while it belabors its point -- "I have learned that beauty/ has to flourish in the light/ wild horses run unbridled/ or their spirit dies" -- its bridge soars and there's even a faint glimmer of possible reconciliation."

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-san-francisco-examiner/146039729/

"On the bulk of the songs, Carey and her main producer, Walter Afanasieff, build lush, slow-tempo backings for cloyingly torchy material such as ... "Butterfly," which is reprised in a disco mix later in the album."

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-baltimore-sun/113410536/

"There are times when "Butterfly" seems less like a collection of songs than a sort of musical journal. That effect may not always work to her advantage, given the public changes her private life has gone through recently. Having separated from her husband, Sony Music chief Tommy Mottola, earlier this year, Carey is already the subject of rumors on the gossip page, and such songs ... the title tune will only feed the speculation."

"When Carey sings, "Spread your wings and prepare to fly/For you have become a butterfly," in the title tune, isn't she really singing about her newly single self? Maybe. But even if these songs aren't about Carey's innermost secrets (and I strongly suspect they aren't), what matters is that there's a very real wellspring of emotion behind them. Take the title tune."

"A slow and sweet bit of soul balladry, it has all the touchstones of R&B tradition softly tinkling piano, a slow-boil rhythm arrangement and gospel-schooled harmonies on the chorus. What sets it apart is Carey's vocal, which is not only whisper-soft at the song's beginning, but drifts up into an airy falsetto on the second verse. This is no diva-strength show of force; even when the chorus kicks in, Carey continues to hold back, her improvised counterpoint floating above the main theme like wisps of smoke over a chimney."

"That's certainly not the way Whitney Houston would have sung it, but that's precisely what makes Carey's approach so effective. Because instead of trying to dazzle us with her own vocal virtuosity, Carey keeps our focus on the butterfly, emphasizing its fragility and grace. Not only does that make it more dramatic when she does resort to full voice on the bridge, but it helps us feel the emotions that power the song. Nor is "Butterfly" the only song on the album that offers such a perfect blend of music and message."

https://www.newspapers.com/article/austin-american-statesman/113410572/

a rewrite of Sting's "If You Love Somebody Set Them Free" which shows her songwriting is underdeveloped

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-buffalo-news/146040179/

"Finds Carey in a more reflective mood This is about love’s loss and personal freedom. “When you love someone so deeplyThey become your life/It’s easy to succumb to overwhelming fears inside” she sings. For Carey, the solution seems to be to break away and “spread your wings and learn to flyor you have become a butterfly." Carey sings this ballad in a Whitney Houston style and it’s one of the most powerful numbers of Carey’s career The rest of the CD doesn’t match that intensity."

https://www.newspapers.com/article/richmond-times-dispatch/146040250/

"The album's title track, released to radio this week, is an inspirational joyride. Reining her voice in to croon "Blindly I imagined I could keep you under glass/Now I understand to hold you I must open my hands and watch you rise” Carey unabashedly acknowledges her crumbled marriage and its ensuing effect on her psyche."

https://www.newspapers.com/article/philadelphia-daily-news/146040506/

"Often, she's producing harmonic counterpoints more compelling than the central theme itself. For example, note the "and the angels sing" vibe she wrings with the emotionally freeing "Butterfly." "

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-atlanta-constitution/146040703/

"Much is going to be read into this album now that Marian Carey has split with Tommy Mottola, her husband and the head of her record label. For instance, these lines from "Butterfly," "I have learned that beauty has to flourish in the light/Wild horses run unbridled or their spirit dies," resound like an openhanded slap."

"A few albums back, Carey learned the pluses of restraint, which she demonstrates beautifully on otherwise big ballads such as the title track."

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-cincinnati-post/146040569/

"gospel-spirited uplifting title track"

https://www.newspapers.com/article/chronicle/146041158/

"Carey at her best singing a beautiful ballad."

https://ew.com/article/1997/09/19/butterfly-2/

The title song, a slice of florid pop gospel, explores the old if-you-love-someone-set-her-free theme. It isn’t a reach to interpret these songs as describing life with the reportedly controlling Mottola"

https://www.newspapers.com/article/manchester-evening-news/146040978/

one of the few "truly memorable songs" on the album

https://www.newspapers.com/article/waco-tribune-herald/131571609/

"A thin, flimsy greeting card to build a song, not to mention an album, around, yet it appears again as a reprise near the end."

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/09/21/arts/recordings-view-a-new-gentleness-from-a-pop-diva.html

"The title song of Butterfly is a Houston-style anthem with a determinedly positive spin on breaking up: To hold you I must open up my hands and watch you rise.'"

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-sacramento-bee/146041361/

"Though Carey and her team of writers and producers are undeniably gifted at crafting songs, the vapid lyrics leave much to be desired. Consider, for instance, the opening lines of the album’s schmaltzy title track: “When you love someone so deeply/They become your life” So much for that promised new level of musical vision and artistry."

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-kansas-city-star/146041539/

"The theme of "Butterfly" comes straight from Sting's "If You Love Somebody Set Them Free", and the results are about as evocative. Carey plays the scorned but gracious and understanding lover who sends her best to her man as he's walking out the door: "Now I understand to hold you I must open up my hands and watch you rise..." No tears shed, no objects thrown. Just, "Have a nice day, sweetie."

https://www.newspapers.com/article/dayton-daily-news/146041639/

one of the few "bright spots"; airy.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-knoxville-news-sentinel/131572675/

"sickly title track"

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-morning-call/146041906/

"Does the title cut and the emphasis on vocal subtlety indicate artistic freedom for Carey? While one can only speculate about her personal life, musically that seems to be the case."

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-springfield-news-leader/146041971/

"Carey includes plenty of sumptuous power ballads, always her specialty. They range from the aggressively overproduced title track with her stylized vocal pyrotechnics"

http://www.slantmagazine.com/music/review/mariah-carey-butterfly/330

"The title track reteams Mariah the injured with partner-in-schlock Walter Afanasieff, the man responsible for co-writing and co-producing much of her pre-Butterfly output (not to mention over half of Butterfly itself). The agonizingly slow "Butterfly," with its predictably soaring chorus and if-it-comes-back-it-was-meant-to-be message, would have been ignorable tripe. Here, it's a show for the peeping. Echoes of her newly failed relationship with Mottola bounce off the gospelly song's cheap stained glass and then garble so that it sounds like some insane document of Stockholm Syndrome. "Blindly I imagined I could/Keep you under glass," coos Carey, but surrounded is exactly how she felt by Mottola's iron fist (she has referred to the Bedford, New York mansion they shared as "Sing Sing" because that's what she did there and prison is how it felt). She even goes beyond empathy—it's as though Carey's singing what her own self-professed eighth-grader spirit wants to hear: "Spread your wings and prepare to fly/For you have become a butterfly/Fly abandonedly into the sun."

"It isn't just subject matter that elevates "Butterfly" above Carey's usual melodrama. Carey's vocal delivery and her willingness to experiment with it helped define the album, so it's only appropriate that its title track is the first of many to showcase Carey's much-debated "whisper voice." The relatively high and thin register that she sings in when not belting (and that's often) is sometimes cited as a sign of a waning vocal prowess. But it could be the most important of Butterfly's changes, as it marks the first time that Mariah the vocalist seems consistently real."

"Honey" and "Butterfly" together exemplify the abrupt gear shifting that appreciating Mariah the artist requires."

https://web.archive.org/web/20221121083433/https://newspaperarchive.com/other-articles-clipping-sep-12-1997-3572575/

melancholy

https://www.proquest.com/docview/227102420/

"the lovely "Butterfly" is classic Carey, from its gospel-kissed ballad instrumentation and choir chants to the diva's soaring, glass-shattering performance. This should not imply, however, that she is covering crusty old ground. The notable maturity in her lyrics and worldly warmth of her vocal reflect the growth that she has continually strived to attain. The fact that it's placed in a mildly familiar package that Carey's faithful followers will be quick to embrace is only a bonus."

https://www.proquest.com/docview/227095770/

"the title track ballad, a romantic ode to independence"

Winnipeg Free Press Sep 18, 1997

"The title track sees her dealing with the split, which, according to the song, is amicable rather than acrimonious. The song equates a lover to a butterfly that must spread its wings and can't be kept under glass: If you should return to me/ We truly were meant to be. After that statement, Carey has little else to say on this 57-minute disc."

https://www.proquest.com/docview/232197041/

"On the plaintive title track, she even casts herself as the oppressor ("Blindly I imagined I could/Keep you under glass..."), sparing us the "You kept me in a bottle" scenario we're bright enough to read into it."

https://www.proquest.com/docview/269160740/

"The title track is a R&B ballad, featuring Mariah singing in whispery tones, before exploding with her patented full-throated vocals. It's a graceful song of setting someone she loves free. Should be a big hit! "

Music Week

"This is as smooth as any of her ballads, but it's in the vocals where the difference lies. No longer over-singing for the sake of it, Carey has rarely sounded more stunning."

https://www.proquest.com/docview/2642594185/

"On the beautiful pop anthem and title track, "Butterfly," she once again utilized the brilliant services of Walter Afanasieff"

https://www.proquest.com/docview/408739343/

"More typical are the title track ..., the soaring, sentimental ballads she tends to favor. Both give her a chance to use that powerful, rangy voice of hers to good effect"

https://www.billboard.com/media/lists/mariah-carey-greatest-songs-top-100-9460564/

"Written during Carey’s separation from her then husband Tommy Mottola, “Butterfly” is a song about great personal loss, but also the important act of personal reconciliation. Her vocals initially convey sadness and vulnerability, but once she hits the soaring chorus, you can’t help be uplifted by the strength and resilience of her resolve. It’s the kind of song fans come back to over and over again during tough times, as it helps to soothe the acceptance of change"

https://www.billboard.com/lists/mariah-carey-butterfly-album-songs-ranked/

"The album’s title track might initially sound like a cliché — which newly single pop star hasn’t used the whole “spreading your wings” metaphor to declare their independence? But “Butterfly” is actually sung from the perspective of Mottola, with Carey idealizing the perfect response to her request for a much-needed break. The singer admits that she’d probably have returned to the marriage had her ex-husband believed in the concept of serendipity. Instead, he inspired her to pen an uplifting gospel-tinged ballad which just about stays on the right side of schmaltz."

https://www.billboard.com/music/pop/mariah-carey-songs-best-break-up-hits-7518854/

"Mariah wrote this, the deeply personal title track off her sixth album, while separating from first husband Tommy Mottola. “At that point I really believed that I was going to go back to the marriage — I didn’t think I was going to leave forever,” she said later of the song, which she’s called her favorite ballad."

https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2020/08/all-75-mariah-carey-singles-ranked-from-best-to-worst.html

"“Butterfly” has reached legendary status in Carey’s catalog, in no small part to it being the title track from what many consider to be her best album. Interestingly enough, the song wasn’t a huge hit. Yet, for all the hip-hop dressing on “Butterfly,” the title track appeals to longtime Carey fans who know all it takes is an amazing vocal to make your heart flutter and your face ugly cry."

https://www.vibe.com/features/editorial/mariah-carey-butterfly-ranked-tracklist-538478/

"Spread your wings and prepare to fly/For you have become a butterfly,” background singers Melanie Daniels and Mary Ann Tatum belt out on the title-track to Mariah Carey’s sixth studio album. Originally intended to be a house record with producer David Morales, Carey shifted course after realizing the power of the song’s content, ultimately teaming up with Walter Afanasieff to construct the song that is known today. Despite not being released as a commercial single, “Butterfly” was a moderate success domestically and overseas, and has been praised as a signature selection from her catalog."

https://www.vulture.com/2014/05/these-are-mariah-careys-25-best-singles.html

"Peak merchandising potential; peak music-video realness. There are probably better vocal performances, but “Butterfly” is the champion of the ballads because it is all-purpose and personal. It is the (first) Mariah Carey Declaration of Independence. Everything is still possible"

https://www.kqed.org/pop/17288/all-64-mariah-carey-music-videos-ranked-from-worst-to-best

"There's no way around it: this video is about bestiality. Okay, maybe it's a metaphor for how pent up she felt during her marriage to Tommy Mottola or whatever, but there are a lot of questionable Mariah / pony interactions here. Also some weirdo is peeping on Mariah through a hole in the wall. The landlord should really fix that. Definitely Mariah's weirdest music video...and that's saying something."

https://www.proquest.com/docview/232187723/

"more traditional-sounding ballad"

https://www.nytimes.com/1997/11/12/arts/critic-s-notebook-in-the-pop-kingdom-flying-is-the-reigning-metaphor.html

Advertiser Sep 18, 1997

"The big harmonised chorus on the slow title track is the only thing that saves an otherwise uninspired song."

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Touch_Me_I_m_Sick/sQjqikazTK0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22butterfly%22+mariah+%22spread+your+wings%22&pg=PA204&printsec=frontcover

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/mariah-carey-butterfly-biopic-new-music-1234593825/

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/mariah-carey-butterfly-25th-anniversary-stream-buy-download-1234594017/

https://variety.com/2022/music/news/mariah-carey-butterfly-25-anniversary-meghan-markle-prince-1235373657/

https://www.popmatters.com/mariah-carey-butterfly-atr25

" Blue. On an emotionally open and raw song like the title track, Carey channels feelings of emotional captivity, singing, “When you love someone so deeply / They become your life / It’s easy to succumb to overwhelming fears inside / Blindly I imagined I could keep you under glass / Now I understand to hold/I must open up my hands and watch you rise.” Carey identifies with the captured Butterfly, beautiful like she, but entombed under glass on display. The imagery that Carey evokes with her metaphor is arresting and poignant, heartbreaking in its sincerity."

https://www.essence.com/entertainment/mariah-carey-butterfly-album-history/

https://www.allmusic.com/album/butterfly-mw0000594785

"Subsequent plays reveal that Carey's vocals are sultrier and more controlled than ever, and that helps "Butterfly," ... rank among her best."

https://www.mariahcareynetwork.com/images/music/album/product/scans/butterfly-lp-25-deluxe-booklet-1.jpg

"came to me as a much needed gift of melody and lyrics all at once."

Gavin Report

"It takes mere nanoseconds to know that this song has everything necessary to become one of the top ballads of 1997 ... Nothing less than perfect from start to finish."^[1]

"This tour de force ... explores the logic of the "If you love somebody set them free" theory.^[2]

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2020/dec/03/mariah-careys-30-greatest-singles-ranked

"The title track of the album that announced Carey’s hip-hop-influenced reboot was, ironically, a classic Carey ballad that might have been released in the early 90s. While overlooked commercially, it offers vocal proof that Carey was a cut above the melismatic over-singers that followed in her wake."

https://www.mariahcareynetwork.com/info/press/onthecover/1998-rs.html

https://www.mariahcareynetwork.com/info/press/articles/1997-q.html

https://www.mariahcareynetwork.com/info/press/articles/1997-latimes.html

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Butterfly (Mariah Carey song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Candy o32 00:52, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry it took so long. I just kept putting it off for so long, but I won't ever hold of on another one this long! :)

Background[edit]

The whole quote should be in quotes and quotes within that quote denoted with 'dlfkajlsdk'
Uncap magnum opus.

Composition[edit]

Link pop, gospel and R&B.

Critical reception[edit]

Good

Chart performance[edit]

What rules kept it from charting?
As she reaches the properties outskirts, Carey mounts a horse; which assists her in jumping over the barbed fence. --> replace ; with ,

Live performances[edit]

Usage of "older" is iffy, maybe "previous" instead?

Good work, easy fixes, and on the way to GA! Candy o32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 23:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Candy. I'm all done. I really don't want to touch the wuote, it isn't breaking any rules and is a direct quote from her. Thanks :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 04:58, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well its not that it is a direct quote, it is just that quotes " " cannot be inside " " quotes, therefore the usage of ' '. I'll makes some more fixes as it meets the GA criteria, and nothing critical is going on that needs to be addressed such as in a FAC. Good job. I'll fix the quote and a few grammar issues. Candy o32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 23:19, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oh okay. Thank you :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:22, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments[edit]

"As she reaches the properties outskirts, Carey mounts a horse; which assists her in jumping over the barbed fence." Needs rewriting for grammar and clarity.
"The video drew many comparisons to the rumors of Carey's deteriorating marriage at the time." Completely ungrammatical.
"The video begins with with scenes of a man's man leaving his home one early morning; only his feet are shown." "man's man?
"As she walks down the stairs, Carey sits on the staircase, lamenting in agony at her loneliness." ???? This is extremely poor prose.
"On September 17th," see MoS on dates.
"The song was sung during her Butterfly World Tour in 1998, throughout every show." Really? One song sung throughout every show?
"The performance featured the same musicians on set, with the exception of Afanasieff, who was absent." Well, if he was absent he couldn't have performed, could he? Poor rpose.
"The performances served as the closing song on the set-list" What the whole performance was the closing song. What is meant here?
"Similar props and set-up were used for the following shows of the tour, with the addition on the "Fly Away (Butterfly Reprise)" addition at the show's finale." Meaningless, almost garbage.
See Wikipedia:MOS#Quotations, the section about quotations within quotations.
"After contemplating on the matter, Carey re-wrote "Fly Away" in ballad form, and incorporated new lyrics and vocals." "After contemplating on"?
"Due to current conflict with Columbia, "Butterfly" was never issued a commercial release, therefore hindering its charting ability." "never issued a commercial release"? Al;so, if it was never released commercially, how come the infobox has label as Columbia and format as CD single?

On the basis of the above, I would recommend a fail on the grounds of extremely poorly written prose. This should never have been nominated with out being copy-edited. WP:GAN nominees should meet the Ga criteria. It is a waste of everyone's time nominating sub-standard material. Jezhotwells (talk) 11:37, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've made fixes concerning the grammar and quotation problems you have noted. Any other opinions on the prose might hinder it if this were FAC, but the article seems to meet general GAN criteria. Candy o32 - Merry CHRISTmas :) 23:25, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Did anyone ask for you're nasty and rude opinion and/or comments. Didn't think so.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:46, 13 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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^ Sholin, Dave (September 19, 1997). "Singles". Gavin Report. p. 62.
^ Lai, Annette M. (September 26, 1997). "A/C Picks". Gavin Report. p. 62.

[Sholin-1] Sholin, Dave (September 19, 1997). "Singles". Gavin Report. p. 62.

[Lai-2] Lai, Annette M. (September 26, 1997). "A/C Picks". Gavin Report. p. 62.

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