Talk:C'est la vie (Khaled album)

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. The wording of MOS:CT does not address itself to foreign-language titles but what is provided elsewhere in WP:FRMOS suggests that French-language titles should use sentence case. As In ictu oculi observes, this isn't an English title. Some of this depends on how you read the phrase 'In English' in MOS:CT. Since this is the English Wikipedia, does that imply that all articles about compositions are covered? Under that interpretation, there could be no exception for works titled in French and all French-titled articles about compositions would have to change their capitalization. The idea that we should have different rules for classical and contemporary music is worth considering, but nobody has linked to anywhere in the guidelines that mentions both kinds of music and says that there is a difference. EdJohnston (talk) 18:59, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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– To capitalize the last word of the title (per MOS:CT, also see other CT entries on the C'est la vie dab page). --Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:53, 26 March 2014 (UTC) --BarrelProof (talk) 05:48, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't know about this. MOS:CT says "In English", this isn't English. If a UK band does an English song using a French phrase C'est la Vie (B*Witched song) then we'd expect (and English sources have) "Vie", but a French album by a French artist, quality sources (i.e. not Billboard, books) will use "vie", just as for classical songs. This is most evident with Latin music where Billboard Goes All Caps, but books have small letters, as Spanish. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:59, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Using such capitalisation in non-English titles is supported by guidelines in related areas such as WP:CAPM ("For titles in their original foreign language, the style used is 'sentence capitalization'. That is, the title is capitalized as it would be in a sentence in that language.") This is congruent with WP:NCCAPS: Capitalization of expressions borrowed from other languages. As User:In ictu oculi noted, "if a UK band does an English song using a French phrase C'est la Vie (B*Witched song) then we'd expect (and English sources have) 'Vie'..." However, this is a French album (alright, Arabic, too.) released on a French label that was a hit in a bunch of countries (like France) that don't capitalise the v. — AjaxSmack 02:46, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support We should use English-language capitalization on an English-language encyclopedia. I don't have a problem with treating classical and contemporary music differently—they're rather different topics. CAPM doesn't directly apply, but MOS:CT is clear. --BDD (talk) 22:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I don't see where the justification for lowercase is coming from; it's not spelled out on MOS:CT, though it does say The first and last words in a title are always capitalized in a separate sentence from the one that starts out "In English". Also, WP:MOS#Capitalization-Titles says Capitalization in foreign-language titles varies, even over time within the same language; generally, retain the style of the original. This would lend credence to BDD's opinion of treating classical and contemporary differently. Personally, I also like it capitalized. —Ost (talk) 14:46, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.