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Capital(s)

Hey everyone, since the California supreme court of California is located in San Francisco, shouldn't SF be listed as one of the capitals, Similar to how South Africa has three capitals, one for each branch of government. I don't know what the precedent is regarding this topic in the context of american states. If there is no precedent we should develop a consensus on the matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrrow1113 (talk • contribs) 03:24, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Important information missing

A very important update, of historic importance for the demographic section, is missing in this article. Since March, 2014, Hispanics are officially the largest ethnic group in California. This piece of information is not in the article yet: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/17/latinos-california-biggest-demographic-politics

So why don't you add this this info then? SergeantSwing (talk) 12:04, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Regarding the IPA phonetics (alternative) for California

Hi all. I could not help but notice that the accessory pronunciaton key for the word "California" is given as "KAL-ə-FAWR-nee-ə". It indicates an extra accent of the penultimate syllable, making the word as a whole have five syllables (Cal ah for nee a). This pronunciation is extremely rare, not to mention incorrect. Wouldn't a correct alternative be similar to "Cal-if-FOR-nya"? Just my two cents :)

Bomb319 (talk) 04:31, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2015

The last sentence of the first full paragraph reads, "Sacramento has been state capital since 1854." Please change to "Sacramento has been the state capital since 1854."

50.246.52.1 (talk) 20:59, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Fixed it - thanks for pointing this out. AlexiusHoratius 22:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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"While the Sierra rosy finch is the only bird native to the high Arctic region, other bird species such as the hummingbird and Clark's nutcracker."

Can this be fixed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicflic (talk • contribs) 02:28, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2016

Please change the link of foot note reference #1 from http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=gov&group=00001-01000&file=420-429.8 to the correct link of http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=gov&group=00001-01000&file=420-429.9 (difference is in the file query parameter value). Current link leads to a server error page at the Official California Legislative Information website. Fdanielsen (talk) 13:24, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Fixed, I think. AlexiusHoratius 16:38, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2016

I suggest you add that it has a bear on its flag Philfath (talk) 16:24, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. The article already mentions the bear on the flag. RudolfRed (talk) 18:24, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Cortes named it California

You may consider research because Hernan Cortes named this land, California. He liked reading those chivalry stories. 

Racialized Society (talk) 05:17, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Latino plurality

I think the article is not up-to-date on demographics ignoring an important event, which is that recently the largest ethnic group in California is Latino or Hispanic: http://www.npr.org/2015/07/07/420769494/census-data-confirms-hispanics-outnumber-whites-in-california http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-census-latinos-20150708-story.html http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/07/08/its-official-latinos-are-the-majority-in-california/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3498:5EC0:718D:76:797D:7B75 (talk) 14:32, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Also Latinos can be of any race. I cringe when journalists state that they are nonwhite. Racialized Society (talk) 05:19, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

California Spanish

Need to honor the state's heritage, the Spanish language! Most places have Spanish names. Racialized Society (talk) 05:23, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

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California Spanish

Need to honor the state's heritage, the Spanish language! Most places have Spanish names. Racialized Society (talk) 05:23, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

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Before Statehood Information in Box is Wrong

The so-called California Republic existed for only ONE month and ONLY included PARTS of just TWO counties in the Napa-Sonoma area north of San Francisco -- hardly the stuff of an independent nation-state!!!

Rather, in law and in fact, California prior to the Mexican Cession of 1848 was the self-governing Province of Alta California, in the United States of Mexico, with its provincial capital at Monterey. Alta California included all of present California, Nevada, Utah, and Arizona; and parts of Colorado and Wyoming.

The so-called California Republic never controlled, or claimed to control, anything outside of the somewhat immediate vicinity of Santa Rosa. That little bit of control was never legally accepted by anyone outside of the small group of people who put it together. And, more importantly, as soon as the founders of the so-called "California Republic" found out the United States had invaded and was easily conquering California as part of the Mexican-American War, the government of the so-called California Republic voted to dissolve their unrecognised nation-state and joined the United States in its war against Mexico.

So, apart from two months in 1846, there was no "California Republic" that had any legal existence coextensive with the Mexican Province of Alta California. But from the Treaty of Hidalgo in May 1848 to statehood in 1850, there was American military occupation and a bunch of people who got together at the provincial capital in 1849 to draft a constitution for the State of California -- which, because it already existed as a Mexican province, already had a bureaucracy in place and, thus, did not need to go through the territorial phase as a transition to statehood.

So instead of "Before Statehood: California Republic," that item should read "Before Statehood: Alta California."

In the words of Capt. Jean-Luc Picard, "Make it so!"

2601:645:C300:16DD:6A:D0A3:2349:4B46 (talk) 09:46, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

I agree Rjensen (talk) 12:40, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, Alta California!new Spain had named it Alta and Baja! Racialized Society (talk) 05:21, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

I agree should it be so, but this info needs a verifiable source. If footnoted, make the edit. Stycklyr (talk) 14:57, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Grammar edit necessary

In the "Religion" section, first paragraph, after the first three sentences, contrasts the present situation with the situation in 2008. Nevertheless, in the sixth sentence beginning "The breakdown of other religions is…" the past situation is described in the present tense rather than in the past tense. This needs to be updated and I do not have privileges. I suggest: "The breakdown of other religions at that time was …"

Stycklyr (talk) 14:30, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Done EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 17:58, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Interactive map suggestion

I propose the addition of an interactive map of California showing its 10 largest cities next to the table displaying the 10 largest cities and towns in the state under the Government and Politics subsection of the article. I'm thinking of something similar or identical to the table describing the steps of glycolysis in the article. Ralphw (talk) 18:17, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2016


104.228.125.114 (talk) 14:03, 1 July 2016 (UTC) Place of mandatory vaccines against someone's will.

Not done: as you have not requested a specific change in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
More importantly, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:19, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Cites to address "citations needed" flags

The page is protected, which makes addressing "citations needed" flags a pain. I'm a newbie and adding cites in replacement paragraphs are too time-consuming for me at the moment, but I've provided comments and cites below. Please let me know if you have any comments or need assistance. I'd be glad to help.

Subsection Flora and Fauna regarding endangered species: See footnote 77 for support.

Subsection Judicial Branch regarding capital punishment: California has the largest death row population. see http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row-inmates-state-and-size-death-row-year Texas is more active. see http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/number-executions-state-and-region-1976

Section Education regarding selectivity of the UCs original targeting 1 out of 8 high school students, see: http://www.ucop.edu/acadinit/mastplan/mpaccess.htm and footnote 4 on this page California Master Plan for Higher Education, citing (California State Department of Education (1960). A Master Plan for Higher Education in California: 1960-1975. Chapter IV - Students: The Problem of Numbers. Retrieved: 2014-04-19). See page 73.

The UCs do not appear to be more selective. (see here:http://admission.universityofcalifornia.edu/freshman/profiles/)

CSU original target of 1/3. Same cite--Page 73 of the Master Plan.

CSU acceptance rates: https://secure.californiacolleges.edu/College_Planning/Explore_Schools/Enrollment_Rates/CSU_Enrollment_Rates.aspx; California_State_University#Fall 2014 enrolled freshmen profile CalPoly's 2015 acceptance rate was 27% and thus less than the original 33% target. (http://www.ir.calpoly.edu/content/publications_reports/polyview/index)

Yawzaaa (talk) 19:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2016

In the third paragraph, regarding geography, the page currently states "Drought has also become a notable feature."

This sentence should be deleted, because (a) it relates only indirectly to geography, and appears to have been added as an afterthought (if anywhere, it would be more appropriate later under the "Climate" discussion), (b) no source has been cited, and (c) the words "has also become" implies that drought as a notable feature of California is a relatively-recent phenomenon, contrary to the many instances of significant drought throughout written history and the geographical record.

Alternatively, the sentence could be moved under the climate section and re-written to read "Drought is also a notable feature in some areas of the state."

23.127.161.68 (talk) 19:55, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Done — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 06:35, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

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RFC about Spanish

This change is rejected by almost unanimous consent. As editors noted, no reliable source indicates that Spanish has some official or "de facto" status in California at this time. This RfC does not affect the text in the body of the article or the infobox content (which already lists significant spoken languages in California, including Spanish, and provides Census Bureau stats as to the prevalence of each. Neutralitytalk 04:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

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Proposition 227 has been repealed by California Proposition 58 (2016). Spanish is the second language of the state. It appears in official documents and was one of the two original oficial languages besides English during the 19th century. Should adding it to the top of the article recognize that? Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 18:15, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Comment. You are not pointing to any WP:Reliable sources that show observers talking about how Spanish is now California's "de facto" language, which is what you were trying to do with this series of edits. So if nobody is saying it, then Wikipedia will reflect that fact by not making up something novel. Binksternet (talk) 19:24, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
  • @Binksternet. Even if it is a year premature to declare Spanish as the 'de facto' official language of California, a wholesale revert of the article is unnecessary. In six months Spanish, is going to be taught in at least half of Californian schools. Some of the recent edits are still factually correct such as the passage of California Proposition 58 (2016) by a supermajority (Los Angeles Times), effectively repealing Proposition 227. This has yet to be addressed. Some changes regarding Spanish may be omitted for now. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 01:25, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

California's first constitution recognized Spanish language rights:

All laws, decrees, regulations, and provisions emanating from any of the three supreme powers of this State, which from their nature require publication, shall be published in English and Spanish.

— California Constitution, 1849, Art. 11 Sec. 21.
  • Let's start with a source. I don't think we should be reading the 1849 or even the 2016 California Constitution directly on this, as there may be many different treatments of different languages (ballots, drivers tests, etc.) sprinkled across different statutes. It may be that California now has an "unofficial official" language. But this just makes clear that we should find a reliable secondary source for this. (Moreover, Prop. 58 didn't repeal any of the parts of the California Constitution that make English the official language. Indeed, Prop. 58 preserves the policy that English proficiency is the goal of public education in the state.) As a separate matter, outside of the RfC, the dozen edits that got reverted dealt with many other topics. I don't know if reverting them all was the intention. Chris vLS (talk) 02:16, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
  • No - Seems WP:SOAPBOX. This is not WP:LEAD important enough to the article topic California to appear at the header, and the lines about the 1849 constitution that was replaced in 1879 is also WP:OFFTOPIC as it is not talking about California. It would be different if they had made some major effect to history or were currently noted for some reason -- but it does not. The line seems just pragmatic about operating with the declining but then-heavily Spanish population. Markbassett (talk) 22:15, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
  • No Concluding from recent news a new 'fact' is not a job for editors here. If someone else draws that conclusion, from the same facts, in a reputable source, maybe there would be grounds for the change. Invited to comment here by Legobot as an impartial observer. Peter S Strempel | Talk 06:46, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Not yet But definitely ask again in 6–12 months. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 22:03, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
  • No, assuming the question is should information about Prop 227 and the status of Spanish in the state now and in history be included in the lede. It's just not important enough information. There are other details from the article that I would elevate to the lede before this.
  • No. I don't see reliable, secondary sources supporting this change. I think it might happen in the future, but we'd have to see sources first. agtx 05:13, 22 November 2016 (UTC) (WP:FRS)
  • No. For the reasons stated above. Please review core policies like WP:NOR, WP:NPOV, and WP:V. Please conform your suggestions to those policies in the future. --Coolcaesar (talk) 19:10, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
  • No. Prop. 58 did not repeal Prop. 63 (1986) [1] which made English the official language of the state. Lots of your other changes should be made, however. This was probably not a good use of rollback. Chris vLS (talk) 05:06, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
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See also Timeline of the far future

Why is Timeline of the far future in the See Also section. It should be removed

172.251.69.173 (talk) 22:28, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Presumably because one of the items in the timeline is the subduction of the California coast into the Aleutian trench. However, as that won't occur for 50Myears, it does seem like it is not important to anyone reading Wikipedia in the near future. So, i agree, delete it. Shortsword (talk) 23:52, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Go ahead and delete it. The page is semi-protected, so I can't do it. 2606:6000:FECF:4100:D1C1:BD96:3A28:F87A (talk) 21:04, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Text in the section "History" is not accurate with the article it refers to

The text which reads "The Spanish colonization brought the genocide of the indigenous Californian peoples", located in the section "History", does not have much to do with the article the weblink refers to, as it seems to mean that the Spanish colonization alone was the only factor that caused the genocide of indigenous peoples, even more when the citied text explains that it was under the mexican, and esentially, under the US rule, that this genocide intensified. As a result, it would be much more accurate to say that "Under the the Spanish colonization, it began the genocide of the indigenous Californian peoples, which intensified under the mexican and, mostly, under the US rule" — Preceding unsigned comment added by JulioPG (talk • contribs) 13:41, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Fully agree: The indigenous people in California dropped from 300 000 to 250 000 during the Spanish period, but the most significant reduction took place during the 19 century, especially during the US administration. Between 1846 and 1870, California’s indigenous population plunged from perhaps 150 000 to 30 000. It would be easy to fill with proper references. The article, in this point, is biased and must be corrected.

I agree. This sentences should be modified because its not correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.47.164.30 (talk) 15:30, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Wyoming

In the inital history paragraph it describes the original make-up of the then called California, there is no verification on the listing which normally I would understand but in this case is needed as Wyoming was never a part of that area. So a footnote ref or removal Wyoming from they listed land area would help the veracity of the article. Thanks all — Preceding unsigned comment added by BespokeFM (talk • contribs) 17:45, 19 June 2011

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2017

The entire page has been hijacked by an overlain reference to an unrelated YouTube page.

[1]

It precedes "After World War II, California's economy greatly expanded due to strong..." and is about 1/6 of the way into the page source.

Clearly spam. Please remove it. Angelogladding (talk) 02:18, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Done jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 02:33, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
I respectively disagree with @Angelogladding: on several counts. 1) The referenced YouTube video is on point, discussing the history of Kaiser Shipyards after Pearl Harbor and thus supports the statement that shipyards in the bay area helped make California #1 in the war-time ship building effort. 2) The video did not overlay and hijack the page. 3) The link to the YouTube video was coded as a reference and appeared on the page as "[60]", which hardly overlayed the entire page or hijacked it. 3) You had to click the [60] reference marker link to go to the actual reference to even see that the reference is to a YouTube video. There the link appeared as "60. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhCiGY75wVw". This link also did not overlay the entire page nor hijack it. Therefore I believe that the edit made by @Jd22292: should be reverted while retaining the edit to this talk page marking the semi-protected edit request completed. Shortsword (talk) 03:41, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Whoa @Jd22292: sorry. I was having such an incredibly hard time understanding what was happening. You're right about that YouTube link. I actually meant to reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHSo0yJse94 which has since been made private. It had nothing to do with ships. Since its gone private my browser history has been replaced with a generic "YouTube" title but it said something along the lines of "LIVE IRC ..." and was very much a live spam video. It hijacked the entire page such that a click anywhere in the article went to the YouTube video. There was a hand cursor everywhere.

I couldn't find the YouTube link in the article's wiki source but it was definitely in the references section of the actual page's HTML source. I don't know nearly enough about Wikimedia transclusion but I checked the {{{reflist}}} (with two brackets..) template to the best of my ability and found nothing wrong there either. I discovered the Massachusetts page minutes later had undergone the same attack. Both pages were usable once again within 15 minutes. Neither page's history reflected a reversion. There was too much activity in "Recent changes" for me to discern a template being reverted.

I'm using HTTPS. I use Firefox and a couple of trusted add-ons on Linux and nothing has changed in my environment for months. I confirmed the problem in Opera. I've never experienced such a thing in all my years using Wikipedia. It was definitely a spam attack and I'm deeply curious what the heck happened.

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  1. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhCiGY75wVw

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2017

In the summary section, delete the word "rapacious" before United States of America. Needless editorializing and bias. Vramitron (talk) 21:25, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Done Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:14, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

Grammar

The grammar is DEPLORABLE, committing several errors in only the first two sentences of the article.

And you want people to contribute MONEY to this hack job?

I just noticed Eggshorne's comment above mine about needless editorializing. This is also true: there's ceaseless left-wing reactionism in this e-shitpile.

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2017

First words missing an "a". California is A state 2003:C7:83CF:F094:38D9:35B7:6958:48F7 (talk) 09:23, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Done Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. ChamithN (talk) 09:33, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2017

Occidental College should be added to California's education header alongside the Claremont Colleges. Simonhershey (talk) 06:02, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: This list is not complete and not intended to be. Occidental is already listed on the List of colleges and universities in California. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 12:36, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Adding state dinosaur

Can someone add Augustynolophus morisi as the state dinosaur? Spnsprt (talk) 22:07, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

@Spnsprt:, it has already been added to List_of_California_state_symbols. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 12:38, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 29 January 2018

Humans arrived in America 50,000 years ago ?? See California#History Can someone strike out the unsupported speculation that 'humans may have arrived up to 40,000 years earlier' (than the 10,00 year old Clovis culture). It looks like nonsense to me. 2A00:23C4:D896:6000:C5F7:A23B:CFF:1970 (talk) 05:39, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done. That was part of a bunch of unreferenced additions made last August. The assertion you highlighted is not taught as mainstream history, and in any case, it's not appropriate here. All of that person's other changes have since been reverted, so this was the last remaining bit needing cleanup. Thanks for the note! Binksternet (talk) 06:15, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Pharmacists?

I'm wondering if the paragraph about the pharmacists arriving in Los Angeles in 1860 is a little superfluous. Given that neither Wollweber nor Junge even rate a mention in Kevin Starr's 300-plus-page history of California (and neither have yet to rate their own Wikipedia article), to give them an entire paragraph in an encyclopedia-length article (while the 1906 earthquake and the St. Francis Dam disaster get one combined sentence tacked onto the end of the section) seems a little odd. If I don't hear any objections in the next few days, I am going to delete the paragraph. Dtcomposer (talk) 22:15, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I deleted it--just trivia that is not judged important by published historians Rjensen (talk) 22:24, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

WEATHER ZONES & place names

  • CALIFORNIA WEATHER ZONES associated with several thousand specific California cities
  • comprehensive list of place names in California

69.181.23.220 (talk) 06:18, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2019

I would like to change the Governor and Lieutenant Governor listed on California’s article. 2601:644:8780:32C0:E5AA:DCDB:2092:D3A0 (talk) 10:08, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:29, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Slight contradiction with article on Los Angeles County

This article says "it [LA County] alone is more populous than 42 United States states." The article on LA County says "its population is larger than that of 41 individual U.S. states." Ishboyfay (talk) 06:08, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

@Ishboyfay: if it is not referenced feel free to see WP:BURDEN.
That said, the closest reference I can find is this from a 501c4. It list LA County has having a larger population (in 2013) than 41 states. The 42 number maybe based on a statement on page 2 of this document, "Los Angeles County has the largest population (10,292,723 – July 2006) of any county in the nation and is exceeded by only eight states.".--RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 05:35, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Oops

This is a mistake but I am unable to undo it, because the restored page would contain a link to a blacklisted website. I am trying to find somebody who can do this, but if you are able to, please revert it. Thanks. Brycehughes (talk) 01:40, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Ok, never mind, it's done.Brycehughes (talk) 02:00, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Hispanic

Shouldn't the forced removal of about 1,5 miljon (?) Hispanic inhabitatants to Mexico be mentioned in the sub section about the 20th century? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.86.90.39 (talk) 20:39, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2019

{{substratum|1=


}Some facts are wrong I want to fix them because I lived in California for 38 years. } 98.163.58.158 (talk) 20:02, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. aboideautalk 20:23, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2019

there is a mistake on the article the editor writes The Greater Los Angeles Area and the San Francisco Bay Area are the nation's second- and fifth-most populous urban regions, with 18.7 million and 9.7 million residents respectively. And then the editor writes "The City and County of San Francisco is both the country's second-most densely populated major city" although it's LOS ANGELES. ALEX LIATSAS (talk) 12:18, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: That's not an error. Los Angeles may have more people, but the density in San Francisco is higher. RudolfRed (talk) 16:44, 27 June 2019 (UTC)


…also technologically and culturally overwhelmed…

Europeans had similar incursions into Africa, where tribes were arguably less advanced than Native American nations, without ‘overwhelming’ the population so that is an assumption without much basis. The main difference between colonization in Africa and the Americas is that a large portion of the indigenous American population was wiped out because of a lack immunity to Old World diseases which led to the Westernized mixed race population thriving at the expense of those who were predominantly indigenous. Moreover the ‘Spanish’ settlers consisted mostly Westernized mestizos, not individuals of pure or mostly European ancestry.

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2019

I was thinking that the attorney general of CA should be up there with the rest of the Governor and senators etc. Xavier Becerra who is the current AG should be included in one of his own tr within the table with a class of infobox geography card. Thank you for your attention. 47.145.173.61 (talk) 05:28, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm not 100% certain what you're requesting here, but it sounds like you're asking that the Attorney General be added to the infobox at the top of the article. If so, this is  Not done: {{Infobox U.S. state}} does not currently support the addition of this office to the infobox. A consensus to modify the infobox would need to be established before this could be implemented. If I've misunderstood your request, please reopen the request (change "yes" to "no" above) and explain. Thanks, ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 15:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2019

Under the section "Economy" It says "See also: California locations by per capita income and Agriculture of California" but the article Agriculture of California has been deleted since 2017. Please remove the link to Agriculture of California or change it to something else. For example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California#Agriculture might be a better link. 2601:249:4280:1FB0:B10C:BF93:E56C:4C46 (talk) 15:55, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Link removed; no need to keep another one that's just a section under the "Main article" pointer. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:10, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

"Califnornia" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Califnornia. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 22:18, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

"Califronia" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Dead link

Link no. 270 relating to "Living Veterans By State, Period of Service, Gender, 2010–2040" is dead.Dittum (talk) 07:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2019

Please rename the "Demography" section to "Demographics". I looked at the articles on Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, Texas, New York, and Mississippi, and all of them have a "Demographics" section. 192.180.76.49 (talk) 01:08, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

uuuuuuuuuuuukkkkkkk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:145:4281:3520:681E:F36E:453D:7A66 (talk) 23:06, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

 Done Majavah (t/c) 14:02, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

"California Chronic" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect California Chronic. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 2#California Chronic until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. TheAwesomeHwyh 16:34, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Largest counties in both area and population

Is it just a mere coincidence that the largest counties in terms of both population and area in the entire United States, Los Angeles and San Bernardino are located right between each other? I couldn't find an answer in the article 47.152.150.201 (talk) 19:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

The Bear is Extinct

The Californian bear is Extinct Cameron871 (talk) 21:07, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes. See California grizzly bear. Killiondude (talk) 16:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Hispanic Whites

Under demographics, "Hispanic Whites" links to two separate pages: one for "Hispanic White Americans" and one for "White Americans." Should it just link to the former? JanaFisher (talk) 06:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

California is also right now top on Covid-19 casaw — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.139.75.29 (talk) 22:31, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

The False California Republic

The so-called "California Republic" never existed except in the minds of a small number of people who tried to found a separate country in 1846 but never actually did.

Nevertheless, like the long-discredited Bering Strait theory, the idea that California was an independent country before it was annexed by the United States persists despite the fact it never existed as people "remember" it.

There was a revolt against Mexican rule in what was then northwestern Alta California. It involved what are now parts of two counties, never exercised any authority beyond that original, tiny area -- recall that Alta California in 1846 included what are now California, Nevada, Utah, the western half of Colorado, and parts of Wyoming and Arizona. So the little tiny Bear Flag Revolt and proclamation of the California Republic was never going to go anywhere.

Otherwise, the California Republic opted to write its own obituary when its "government" discovered the United States had invaded Alta California and was on its way to conquer San Francisco. So, with the United States bound to take over the area, the Americans who had tried and failed to create their own country in Sonoma County threw in the towel and declared themselves for the USA.

Thus, the bit about "Before Statehood: California Republic" in the infobox should be deleted and never restored. It is pure fiction.

2601:645:C300:3950:15D1:C66E:7FA6:1DCF (talk) 04:26, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Interesting. So two things will need to happen: First, you're going to need to come back here, armed with some reliable sources and second, you're going to need to convince any and all interested editors that your sources are more reliable than the numerous sources that back the existing content. John from Idegon (talk) 04:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
I hope you realise that we have a whole article on the California Republic. That article does pretty much agree with your description, although it does use the words "... that for 25 days...militarily controlled an area..." Perhaps that means it did exist? It certainly wasn't a major, recognised entity. HiLo48 (talk) 04:47, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
@John from Idegon and HiLo48: I agree with the original post that California, as a whole, never was a separate republic. The infobox as written does not accurately reflect the true history. While it might be correct to say "a" California Republic existed in and around Sonoma, California for 25 days, it is misleading to say the entire state of California existed as a republic. Even if the brief California Republic is thought to encompass the entire state, it only lasted for 25 days, and then was replaced by U.S. military oversight. Between July, 1846, and February, 1848, The U.S. and Mexico were at war, and the best you can say is California remained a disputed territory, but most historical accounts state that California was officially a part of Mexico until the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Once the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed the entire state become part of a U.S. possession called the Mexican Cession, without any formal state or territorial designation. California became a state before any of the Mexican Cession lands were set up as organized territories. I propose changing the infobox to read "Before statehood: Mexican Cession unorganized territory". Prior to that it was part of Mexico. If there are no objections, I will make the change. OvertAnalyzer (talk) 23:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2020

"The San Francisco Bay Area PSA" -> "The San Francisco Bay Area CSA" 73.71.4.190 (talk) 01:28, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done DannyS712 (talk) 22:20, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Ancestry Table

Pardon me, but this Ancestry table appears near useless, with obvious bias.

Key problems: -Other is the largest group (24M), well over half. -African ancestry includes only 270,000, when easily 4M+ have some African ancestry -Hardly any major Asian ancestries are included, e.g., Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Viet, Persian, Khmer, Hmong, Thai are all missing. -Where are the millions of people of Mexican / Mestizo descent? -"Afghan" is not an ethnicity - how about Pashto, Dari, Tajik I am sure there are many more issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N Meron (talk • contribs) 22:07, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

  • @N Meron: I agree with your assessment. Also, since there is another Main Article that covers the Demographics of California in more detail, I don't see a need to repeat it in this article. I suggest it be deleted from the main article on California, and leave it in the more detailed Demographics of California article. Hopefully someone with more background and interest in demographics can determine how to better represent the ancestry data in the demographics article. OvertAnalyzer (talk) 22:57, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Agree re deleting table; Demographics of California has sensible data that appears to be sourced.N Meron (talk) 15:47, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request

Request: revert the edits made by "พุทธ สุวรรณวัฒน์". 73.157.115.95 (talk) 08:35, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

Largest consumer of water

"California is the largest consumer of water on the entire continent of North America." - What does this mean? California would be expected to consume more water than any other state or province, because it has a larger population. If this is what is meant, it should be stated. Or does California consume more water than the entire country of Mexico? 2601:640:4000:3170:58DE:B187:88CC:7BD2 (talk) 16:17, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

The answer to your last question is likely yes. The state is one of the largest producers of food for the country and even exports internationally. However, this should be cited and some light googling right now didn't find anything to support it as far as North America is concerned. [2] compares to other US states. Killiondude (talk) 19:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2021

Please add Baja California to the Californian Geographical Subsection: Region. Baja is a critical part of Californian cultural history and ancestral demographics to more than 66% of the local population in the city of (east) Orange. This, of course, is not about politics but, rather, California's international imagery (Cali's akin to the 16th centuries version of Apple/Google). Thank you!! I appreciate that you protect the Californian image and promote its associations with care.

Best, Matthew Hanley Hanley-Lines (talk) 16:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: There are currently multiple references and links to Baja California throughout the article. However, this article is primarily about the US state of California, which does not include Baja, and adding Baja to the list of Californian regions seems misleading for the topic of this article, regardless of the history involved. You may want to look at the article on The Californias instead. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Edit request: Clarification in main paragraph

In the opening paragraph for the article, it says "Los Angeles County is the country's most populous followed by San Diego County…" However, that makes it sound like San Diego is the second-most populous county in the country, which it is not, according to List_of_the_most_populous_counties_in_the_United_States. Instead, perhaps it should say something like, "Los Angeles County is the country's and the state's most populous, followed in the state by San Diego County…" Thanks. GrantBarrett (talk) 18:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

minus Removed the trivial mention of San Diego county altogether.
Please use {{edit semi-protected}} to make an edit request next time. It might result in quicker action. Idell (talk) 19:22, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2021

In 1st paragraph change:

"Los Angeles County is the country's most populous, while San Bernardino County is the largest county by area in the country"

to:

"Los Angeles County is the country's most populous, while San Bernardino County is the largest county by area in the contiguous US states" KnowledgeAmplifier (talk) 19:41, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Question. ...why say "contiguous US states"? Is there a bigger one in Alaska/Hawaii? .Moxy- 01:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 Not done: Alaska doesn't have counties, and LA county is larger than the largest county in Hawaii. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Why is the California Republic not included in the "Before statehood section"

Its includes Unrecognized territory and Mexican cession but no the Republic. Why is this seemingly grazed over when it should be in that section and possibly the only one in that section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IHeartVeronica (talk • contribs) 23:47, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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Comments

I am sorry, but I am "quick failing" the article as there are several issues which are significantly major to prevent this from becoming GA in present state:

  • The most significant issue here is sourcing of the article. Following are uncited sentences and paragraphs in the article:
    • Shortened forms of the state's name include CA, Cal, Cali, Calif, Califas, and US-CA.
    • The indigenous peoples of California included ... among the diverse groups.
    • After the Portolà expedition of 1769–70 ... which remain to this day.
    • The governor granted many square leagues ... in and surrounding California.
    • This revolt by American settlers served as a prelude to the later American military invasion of California and was closely coordinated with nearby American military commanders.
    • California was suddenly no longer a sparsely populated backwater, but seemingly overnight it had grown into a major population center.
    • with only a short break in 1862 ... and September 9 a state holiday.
    • However, due to the existence of a large contingent of pro-South sympathizers ... in the Central Valley and elsewhere. (three continuous paragraphs)
    • There were also massacres in which hundreds of indigenous people were killed.
    • To meet the population's needs ... of public education.
    • It is bordered by Oregon to the north, ... lie west of San Francisco. (six continuous paragraphs)
    • To the east of the Sierra Nevada ...in the United States.
    • Almost entire "Climate" section of 4 paragraphs. It should also be noted that there is a tag especially for "additional citations for verification."
    • California's large number of endemic species ... encroached on their habitat.
    • Entire "Rivers" section
    • Entire "Regions" section
    • First three paragraphs of "Culture" section
    • Entire "Mass media and entertainment" section
    • Almost entire "Sports" section
    • Chunks of "Education" section
    • In addition, several cities such as Oakland, Berkeley and Davis have declared themselves as nuclear-free zones.
    • Nearly all counties operate bus lines, and many cities operate their own city bus lines as well. Intercity bus travel is provided by Greyhound, Megabus, and Amtrak Thruway Motorcoach.
    • "Legislative branch" section
    • California's judiciary system is the largest in the United States&bsp;... house of the state legislature.
    • Entire "City and town governments" section
    • A special district, defined by California Government Code § 16271(d) as "any agency of the state for the local performance of governmental or proprietary functions within limited boundaries", provides a limited range of services within a defined geographic area. The geographic area of a special district can spread across multiple cities or counties, or could consist of only a portion of one. Most of California's special districts are single-purpose districts, and provide one service.
    • Chunks of "Ideology" section
    • Various footnotes
That is quite a lot!
  • The lead section to way too long. See MOS:LEADLENGTH
  • Various unreliable/less reliable references like: www.statista.com, statisticalatlas.com, reason.org, etc.
  • The prose at various places should be improved. Also, there are many one-lined paragraphs which should be merged.
The issues are enough for me to quick-fail, sorry.

– Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:33, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

note re: native cultures map

Just to note: several of the native cultural groups on the "at time of contact" map (particularly in the south coast area) use the Spanish reference names and not the native names for those cultures. These are generally a shortened version of the name of the local mission with -eno added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:8100:1950:D845:2713:9067:2D2A (talk) 17:00, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

The Port of Stockton is not the most inland port on the west coast

The sentence about the Port of Stockton being the most inland needs to be removed. That would be the Port of Lewiston. [1] Oregonpaul (talk) 14:54, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

What the heck. Lol. That source doesn't even claim it; it says that it's the easternmost on the West Coast, which is actually even more preposterous. Stockton is west of Los Angeles!!
The sentence adds nothing without being true, so I just deleted it. What a load of poppycock. Red Slash 22:19, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h2812.html

Too Many Mentions of New York and Manhattan in the California Article

There are far too many unnecessary comparisons to New York (8) and Manhattan (3) in this article about California, including 3 such references just in the introductory paragraph. It is enough to state that Los Angeles is the second-most populous city in the nation without mentioning New York, but even if that comparison is justified, there is simply no need to turn discussion of San Francisco's population density toward Manhattan and New York City's other boroughs, as has been done here. Those places are not necessary references to provide basic information like Los Angeles' population or San Francisco's density. It is not a natural point of view to insert New York into this article this much, and those references should be reduced as much as possible. Articles on the other states are not constantly comparing local cities and metropolitan areas with New York and/or Manhattan, and this one should not either.

2603:8001:8F00:79D2:3131:B877:7518:A4F8 (talk) 07:26, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Adding new section

Can somebody add literature to this article with new section tiled ligature? Can you research them and added what books are published? Literature is part of culture and helps people understand California and its origins. Don't forget to add links to this. --2601:205:C002:D1E0:A9C3:48F:EC09:1395 (talk) 07:09, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2022

Can you replace with this sentence? I rephrased it. "Over time, many droughts and wildfires have been increasing in frequency and severity throughout California, which is becoming less seasonal and more year-round and further straining California's water security system and nearly 95% of this region in this state have been experiencing drought conditions." Thank you! 2601:205:C002:D1E0:51A9:AB3F:2ECB:67D9 (talk) 03:04, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Here it is-

Original: "Over time, droughts and wildfires have been increasing in frequency and severity, becoming less seasonal and more year-round, further straining California's water security."


Rephrased: "Over time, many droughts and wildfires have been increasing in frequency and severity throughout California, which is becoming less seasonal and more year-round and further straining California's water security system and nearly 95% of this region in this state have been experiencing drought conditions."

Hope that it helps. --2601:205:C002:D1E0:D11:AA22:BE7:46C1 (talk) 05:54, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done. The lead section in an article needs to have as few references cited within it as possible, per Wikipedia's manual of style. Any content that needs a citation should generally be detailed in the body, not the lead paragraph. Since you added, "nearly 95% of this region in this state have been experiencing drought conditions", I would want to see a citation to a reliable source supporting this information. This information is better detailed in the appropriate section within the body of the article, not here. I also assume that you have a reliable source supporting this information? ;-)
You also added the word "many" to your modification. Why? Per Wikipedia's neutral point of view, we try to keep content aimed towards information that is verifiable and avoid any bias. Your modification is very small and certainly doesn't add any bias, but even adjectives such as this should be avoided. It's not up to us to determine if the wildfires and droughts are "numerous" - just state it like it is. The current sentence doesn't need to change. You also added "throughout California" as well. That's redundant, but I don't want to come off as picky... lol ;-).
The main issue is with my first point, which is why I am not modifying the lead paragraph as you suggested. If you have any questions, let me know! Please feel free to add another subsequent edit request regarding the body of the article if the "95% information" is missing, and if you have references to reliable sources supporting this information. I'll be happy to take a look. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 06:18, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Here is the source of it: Link

It is already from the article and it will try to make the article look better, hope that it helps. --2601:205:C002:D1E0:D11:AA22:BE7:46C1 (talk) 06:27, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

At least some of the sentence make sense including the citation and the replacement. 2601:205:C002:D1E0:80A0:CF1:CF8A:3ED9 (talk) 01:55, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Looked at the source: it cites the US Drought Montior, which constantly updates it data. I mean, we're at 100% this week. To outright put in the number 95% is not a great idea because it's inaccurate. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 04:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2022

Can you add this information on California 1900- present? Here you go:

"One of the first confirmed COVID-19 cases in the United States that occurred in California was first of which was confirmed on January 26, 2020.[1][2][3] Meaning, all of the early confirmed cases were persons who had recently travelled to China in Asia, as testing was restricted to this group. On this January 29, 2020, as disease containment protocols were still being developed, the U.S. Department of State evacuated 195 persons from Wuhan, China aboard a chartered flight to March Air Reserve Base in Riverside County, and in this process, it may have granted and conferred to escalated within the land and the US at cosmic.[4][5] On February 5, 2020, the U.S. evacuated 345 more citizens from Hubei Province to two military bases in California, Travis Air Force Base in Solano County and Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, San Diego, where they were quarantined for 14 days.[4][6] A state of emergency was largely declared in this state of the nation on March 4, 2020, and as of February 24, 2021 remains in effect. A mandatory statewide stay-at-home order was issued on March 19, 2020 due to increase, which was ended on January 25, 2021, allowing citizens to return to normal life.[7] On April 6, 2021, the state announced plans to fully reopen the economy by June 15, 2021.[8]" 76.20.110.116 (talk) 23:26, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Can anyone respond to my edit request? It is been for days already. 76.20.110.116 (talk) 06:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "United States Coronavirus: 28,924,762 Cases and 515,846 Deaths - Worldometer". www.worldometers.info. Retrieved 2021-02-24.
  2. ^ Wheeler, Ian (February 4, 2020). "Orange County coronavirus patient released, in good condition, health officials say". Orange County Register. Archived from the original on February 5, 2020. Retrieved February 21, 2020.
  3. ^ "Ninth case of fast-moving coronavirus confirmed in U.S." Reuters. February 2, 2020. Archived from the original on February 3, 2020. Retrieved February 3, 2020.
  4. ^ a b Beech, Eric; Gorman, Steve (February 6, 2020). "Two more U.S. evacuation planes leave coronavirus epicenter Wuhan". Reuters. Archived from the original on February 16, 2020. Retrieved February 15, 2020.
  5. ^ Diamond, Dan. "U.S. handling of American evacuees from Wuhan increased coronavirus risks, watchdog finds". Washington Post. ISSN 0190-8286. Retrieved 2021-02-25.
  6. ^ "Hundreds of Americans Were Evacuated From the Coronavirus Epicenter. Now Comes the Wait". The New York Times. February 5, 2020. Archived from the original on February 6, 2020.
  7. ^ "California Governor Gavin Newsom lifts virus stay-at-home orders". CBS News. 2021-01-26. Archived from the original on January 26, 2021. Retrieved 2021-02-24.
  8. ^ Money, Luke; Luna, Taryn. "California aims to fully reopen its economy June 15". Retrieved 6 April 2021.
In progress: An editor is implementing the requested edit. Never mind, I can't do it because I am terrible at sourcing with the source editor and the visual editor is just too darn laggy. interstatefive  (talk) - just another roadgeek 22:51, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
information Note: Worldometer as a source is disallowed on COVID-related topics, see WP:RSP. ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk  09:02, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
I borrowed some of them from this article. 76.20.110.116 (talk) 19:58, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 Partly done: I kept everything except the reference to worldometer, as it is unreliable. interstatefive  (talk) - just another roadgeek 19:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Oh, thank you, editor! 76.20.110.116 (talk) 19:57, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

"California borders Oregon to the north..." is a false statement, is it not? Can we get a consensus on this?

Ok, yesterday I made an edit to this page which changed "borders" to "is bordered by" in the second sentence in the opening paragraph, but this edit was reverted on the grounds that it was unnecessary.

The reason I made that edit is because the statement appeared to be plainly false to me. "California borders Oregon to the north, Nevada and Arizona to the east, the Mexican state of Baja California to the south" implies that Oregon is to the south of California, Nevada and Arizona are to the west, and Baja California is to the north, which is of course the opposite of what is true. After the edit was reverted, I looked up the statements in Google and was surprised to find many more pages that said "California borders Oregon to the north" rather than ""California borders Oregon to the south". As such, I assumed that I was wrong and had a misunderstanding of English.

Since then, however, I've taken a closer look and it appears that all of the pages stating "California borders Oregon to the north" are just copies of this article. Furthermore, I have spoken to several other English speakers and they all seem to agree with me that the factually correct statement is "California borders Oregon to the south".

I am thus again of the opinion that my earlier edit was correct, however I do not intend to start an edit war. Thus, I am asking for a consensus that either "borders" should be changed to "borders by" or the cardinal directions in that second sentence should be reversed. Spongeaang (talk) 10:37, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Britannica would support the edit, citation added at end of the sentence in question. Ferventassumption (talk) 11:21, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

You added this source to support your edit, but nowhere in the source does it say "is bordered by". Magnolia677 (talk) 11:31, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

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Trimmed out of control lead

Does anyone object to these changes? The lead was getting out of control. KlayCax (talk) 01:37, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Wracking 💬 00:40, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

San Diego is the second biggest population

I am a San deign and I know that San Francisco has a smaller population than San Diego I read many times that is the population of San Diego is smaller San Francisco 76.88.70.35 (talk) 03:35, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2023

In 'Culture' section, 'Media and entertainment' section, third paragraph, "there" should be "their" in referring to 'Many automobile companies, such as Tesla, Inc., have there origins in the state, while others' Wikikweli (talk) 07:09, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 09:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2023

Most immigrants in California come from Mexico (3.9 million), the Philippines (825,200), China (768,400), India (556,500) and Vietnam (502,600). Add this information to the demographics section.

Source: https://www.ppic.org/publication/immigrants-in-california/ 2607:FB91:321:4D27:AC39:8391:8023:7F0B (talk) 06:19, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cherrell410(t · c) 16:28, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2023

Would you please add a list of shopping malls that opened in California?

Also, please don’t forget to add events in history section related to law implications and passings. There is current information about that. 2600:1010:B193:5833:D57A:88E0:EF64:685A (talk) 21:18, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Would need specific proposed text for an edit request, not to mention this seems WP:UNDUE for this article. You might want to look at List of shopping malls in California Cannolis (talk) 21:22, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

Challenging British English edits to this article by User:Cristiano Tomás on 14 October 2022

User:Cristiano Tomás made a large number of edits on 14 October 2022 which switched over large portions of this article from American English to what is clearly British English. I don't have the time to type out all the dialectal issues right now, but the most obvious one is the confusion between California and Californian. In American English, California is used both as a noun and adjective and Californian is the demonym for a person from California. The edits on 14 October 2022 changed over a large number of instances of California (used as an adjective) to Californian, which is commonly seen only in British English.

(I have read The Guardian and The Economist regularly for about 20 years, so I am deeply sensitive to the differences between the two dialects.)

Those edits should have been (1) proposed in advance on this talk page and (2) appear to be a clear violation of MOS:TIES. Any objections before I change this article back over to American English? Coolcaesar (talk) 15:40, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Here are the edits in question, from October 14 last year. Newly added is the image File:Map of Californian Counties by Percentage of Hispanics or Latinos.png (made by Cristiano Tomás) and the terms "Californian economic regions", "Californian Congressional Delegation" and "Californian government" (2×). Four non-American usages, one of which is in a file name. Other changes by Cristiano Tomás include calling remote Hearst Castle "a major tourist destination". The place is pretty amazing, but its attendance numbers of 750k per year don't support the descriptor of "major" tourist attraction compared to Disneyland, etc., with many millions annually. Binksternet (talk) 16:20, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
I restored "California" as a descriptor. Binksternet (talk) 16:30, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Remove duplicated paragraph please

Near the end of the history section, shortly after the Steve Jobs Apple photo, the following paragraph appears, and it also appears four paragraphs prior, please remove one of them, thanks.

Although air pollution problems have been reduced, health problems associated with pollution have continued. The brown haze known as "smog" has been substantially abated after the passage of federal and state restrictions on automobile exhaust.

2601:204:C901:B740:B180:202E:EA23:B9B0 (talk) 08:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 22:47, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2023

Mexican, German, Irish and English are the most common ancestries in California. Add this information to the race and ethnicity section.

Source: https://www.iowadatacenter.org/datatables/UnitedStates/usstancestrylargest2000.xls 103.164.138.55 (talk) 23:46, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pinchme123 (talk) 04:57, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2023

Italian ancestry is 4.8%. Add this information to race and ethnicity section.

Source: https://data.canary.census.gov/profile/California?g=040XX00US06 103.164.138.55 (talk) 00:16, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pinchme123 (talk) 04:57, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

'Largest county or equivalent' is wrong

The largest county in CA is NOT Los Angeles County as indicated in the article; it's easily San Bernardino County, which is around 3.5 times larger. There are several counties in CA that are larger than LA. 76.89.200.221 (talk) 17:48, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Per the infobox, it's about the size in population. The link in the entry confirms it. If this is considered problematic, I suggest taking it up in Template talk:Infobox U.S. state, where a discussion is already happening about this. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 02:56, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Because it's confusing, I removed it. The first meaning of "Largest" is always about physical size. Next on the list might be mass. Population is definitely after those two. Binksternet (talk) 04:22, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Fair enough. We should impress upon the template editors to clarify the entry or remove it. Stefen Towers among the rest! Gab • Gruntwerk 04:31, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2023

Vietnamese Americans and Indian Americans are California’s fastest growing ethnic groups. Add this information to the demographics section.

Source: https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2022/california-asian-population/ 103.164.138.55 (talk) 09:57, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pinchme123 (talk) 03:41, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
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