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Untitled[edit]

I've added a few sentences to the bizarre suggestion that L'Engle used the term Camazotz in relation to the Mayan cult when she wrote her children's novel. I recently found this claim in an "academic" book about L'Engle and wondered where it came from. So I Googled it, and now I know. Too bad it's not cited; I'd hardly count this unacknowledged claim as scholarship. I've added the more popular explanation.----Megan

plagiarism vs. sources[edit]

This article involves possible plagiarism. From this site:

Around 100 B.C., a peculiar religious cult grew up among the Zapotec Indians of Oaxaca, Mexico. The cult venerated an anthropomorphic monster with the head of a bat, an animal associated with night, death, and sacrifice (1). This monster soon found its way into the pantheon of the Quiché, a tribe of Maya who made their home in the jungles of what is now Guatemala. The Quiché identified the bat-deity with their god Zotzilaha Chamalcan, the god of fire.

Notice a resemblance? Which article came first? I don't know. Anyway, I thought I'd let you all know. --jenlight 12:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I found this site which has actual citations. The above quote appears there as well. Gotta love the internet... . Cut n' paste. Cut n' paste. Repeat as desired. --jenlight 12:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the article history, I'd say the passage re Zapotec in the article is a more-or-less direct lift from one of the others, it was added in this series of edits by an anon [1], right down to copying the (1) footnote marker. Since then a couple of words may have changed, but clearly not enough.

In any event, IMO just about the entire article is laden with error and mis-interpretation, and those two sources you've found are not all that much better either. It really needs to be rewritten from scratch, and using more authentic sources than those websites.--cjllw | TALK 03:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree. Maybe if I find the time... which I won't. --jenlight 03:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if this adds any resonance to this page, but for the popular culture section, Camazotz is the title of a bat monster in the mass-multiplayer online role-playing game "Final Fantasy XI." Here is a link to a small profile page.

http://monsters.ffxi-atlas.com/monsters/?id=3783

Cheers

Pop culture section[edit]

The pop culture section is much longer than the entire rest of thre article. I don't know if this should be considered completeness (which would be good) or excessive (bad). RJFJR (talk) 23:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:TRIVIA, the latter. Thought it had been trimmed a little while ago, but seems there's been more regrowth. Just about the whole lot could be junked, the fact that videogame designers & fantasy novelists mine Mesoam. mythologies for the names of their characters does is nothing remarkable, IMO. I don't see much there that adds any understanding to this topic. --cjllw ʘ TALK 02:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite needed[edit]

This article was absolutely awful. I've culled half of it, and the truth is most of the rest should go too. I'll see if I can dig up something better shortly. Simon Burchell (talk) 00:54, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've dumped a lot of rubbish and have rewritten what was left. I also removed this article from WikiProject Mexico - the Popul Vuh is Guatemalan. Simon Burchell (talk) 02:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nine Lords of the Night[edit]

Camazotz is the fourth of the Nine Lords of the Night featured on the Mayan Haab' calander. This should be mentioned in the mythology section of the article. 207.216.208.68 (talk) 19:20, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I understand it, the month was associated with the bat glyph, but not specifically with the K'iche' Camazotz. However, if you have a reference, put it in. Simon Burchell (talk) 19:31, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]