Talk:Carlos Paredes

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I reverted to an older edit of this article because it had been trimmed back to just Paredes' name and vital dates. The summary for the earlier edit that had so trimmed the article said that the editor had removed all content that was not sourced after two months. The previous edit before his (which I reverted to) did not have in-line requests for sourcing, nor any talk in the discussion tab about what he would like sourced. In lieu of specific sourcing requests, I think it best to keep an substantive article such as it is rather than a bare one. D.E. Cottrell (talk) 22:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Two things. 1) Reverting back to an article version from July of 2009 did far more than merely add back in the unsourced text that had been removed. 2) Per WP:BURDEN, part of the core WP policy of verifiability,

"The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. The source should be cited clearly and precisely, with page numbers where appropriate, and must clearly support the material as presented in the article. If no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it."

I have no problem with the claims, if they are verifiable to some reliable secondary source . Otherwise, the uncited assertions should stay out of Wikipedia until sources are found and citations added. Cheers. N2e (talk) 04:39, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article sourcing[edit]

The article on the (claimed, but no sources) Portuguese musician Carlos Paredes has been fact-tagged for sources since July 2009. After no sources were provided, much of the unsourced material was removed in October 2009. This remained the status quo for many months. A bit more unsourced material was removed (article still fact-tagged since "July 2009") on March 5th.

An anon editor, whom I assume operated in good faith, reverted the article on March 14th clear back to the article state of August 2009—including removing about a half dozen edits by several editors that were entirely unrelated to the unsourced material changes—and added back all of the uncited assertions about Mr. Paredes. Several attempts I made to revert the recent large additions of unsourced material have been reverted by other editors, for whom I also assume good faith. Discussion on the Talk page has not prevented the unsourced material from being repeatedly added.

My take is that, per WP:V and WP:BURDEN, the unsourced claims should be left out of Wikipedia until they are sourced. Input from other editors would be most welcome. N2e (talk) 18:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1. Carlos Paredes is not Brazilian. He is Portuguese.

I have corrected my inadvertant misreference in the Talk page, above. In the article, I merely added a {{citation needed}} tag to whatever the assertion was that was made in the article. N2e (talk) 00:56, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2. You should read the rules more carefully: referencing is desired, _but not required_ for non-controvercial material.Galassi (talk) 10:57, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The many assertions about Carlos Paredes do need to be sourced, if the claims are to remain in Wikipedia. I have added {{citation needed}} tags to a few of the claims that seem to have no support in any verifiable reliable source in the article. Cheers. N2e (talk) 15:30, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]