Talk:Carson Mansion

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Second Empire (architecture) debate.[edit]

Please consider weighing in here BEFORE adding back to article.

Second Empire, by broad definition, would have to include Mansard rooflines, archtop windows, and a prominant central entrance. None of these features are present in a house with many features, nearly all of which are textbook Queen Anne architecture. Numerous students of architectural history have classified this home. There is no reference that classifies it as having features of Second Empire. To do so would be a stretch and disservice to the home and to the Second Empire style. Norcalal 03:39, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Newsom Brothers, Builder-Architects[edit]

More complete information on Newsom Builder Architects - Big Orange Landmarks Exploring the Landmarks of Los Angeles, One Monument at a Time Retrieved November 22, 2010.

most recognizable landmark??? come on...[edit]

the home is the most recognizable landmark on the California North Coast.

Golden Gate Bridge anyone? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:42, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the spirit of Wiki: No Angry Mastodons I've changed the page from the former phrasing to which you objected both here and at User_talk:Norcalal to reflect the statement by the Library of Congress that the Carson mansion is "considered the most grand Victorian home in America."^[1] I have also left a note to that effect at your other posting on the users talk page. Please consider of Wikipedia:Etiquette where the avoidance of energetic disputes on matters by editors is recommended; additionally, I'd request practicing gentleness and cooperation rather than challenge and strife, especially for the Humboldt County region where many of our editors newer to Wiki and less accustomed to big-city ways. Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:51, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Big-city ways? Sure... incredulity that someone thinks that Carson Mansion is a more recognizable landmark than (as an example) the Golden Gate Bridge is definitely the sort of reaction that only someone from a big city could make. P.S. I've never lived in a big city in my entire life. Also, I don't think it was an example of strife, I went out of my way to look up some information on the Mansion to see if I could corroborate the claims. When I found none, I suggested altering the language. I didn't even make any changes... if you call that strife, you've never seen an edit war. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:26, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Last I checked, the Golden Gate Bridge area marks the geographic boarder between Central and Northern California. With over 800 miles of coastline, over 300miles worth exist between Oregon and the Bay Area and you think the only notable landmarks and features are within 50 mi of the Bay Area? For someone claiming to be a local, it might be wise to expand your horizons a bit. You're missing out on a lot of great forests, lovely architecture and several mountain ranges - to name a few generalized features. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.111.33.211 (talk) 10:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused... you think I'm claiming that the only notable landmarks in CA are within 50 mi of the Bay Area? Hardly. There are a great deal of notable California landmarks (the Hollywood sign, General Sherman, Methuselah, Lone Cypress, Lake Tahoe, Grauman's Chinese Theater, the Transamerica pyramid) and they're distributed all over California. However, if you think that Carson Mansion is a more notable California landmark than the Golden Gate bridge, you've got rocks in your head. Also, Central California (as a regional designation) is not normally used to mark the area south of the bridge, but to mark the area south of the Bay Area as a whole. And yes, this does mean that the entirety of the San Francisco Bay Area is in Northern California. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Library of Congress. "Carson House, Eureka, Humboldt, CA". Historic American Building Surveys, Engineering Records, Landscape Surveys Prints & Photographs Online Catalog. Retrieved 21 September 2011. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help); line feed character in |work= at position 36 (help)

Achitecture[edit]

I see that there are some lovely images available of the early period of the dwelling. Here is an architect's drawing from 1885 and this image was taken in 1902. Both were found here along with many other photos, including interior shots. Thanks to Ellin for finding the link to LoC. Hopefully someone with time/inclination can add them, as appropriate, to the article. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:38, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Elevated to High importance level article.[edit]

After an editor found the Library of Congress citation, it was high time to take note of the home's National importance. Norcalal (talk) 05:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Popular Culture[edit]

Any suggestions on sources or justification for the claims in the Pop Culture section? In particular, a quick glance at the Disneyland train station building and the Carson Mansion show little resemblance. Has one of the Disney architects/designers made a statement about being influenced specifically by the Carson Mansion? Or is it instead a more general influence of Queen Anne architecture in general? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.17.117.204 (talk) 14:32, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(Answer) In Wikipedia you look at the end of the sentence or section for those little blue numbers, go to the bottom of the page and if the citation is online (this one is) go click on that and read it. Doing all that I found the following quote from the citation at the end of the sentence you question:

"Steeped in California history, [Ray] Hillman recalls other ways in which the Carson Mansion has influenced fantastical architecture in the Golden State. At Disneyland in Anaheim, for example, the train station tower was inspired by the Carson Mansion cupola, he said. The former has circular clocks in the place of the semi-circular lunettes. Otherwise, they look strikingly similar." ' Stenger, Richard (October 28, 2010). "The Creepy Carson". North Coast Journal. Retrieved October 24, 2013.

On Wikipedia, we have to go by what the citations say, one of the five Wikipedia pillars is WP:NOR. Also please consider getting an account instead of posting anonymously, you will get a welcome message explaining everything and it is a lot easier to correspond with named users! Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:07, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[LOC-1] Library of Congress. "Carson House, Eureka, Humboldt, CA". Historic American Building Surveys, Engineering Records, Landscape Surveys Prints & Photographs Online Catalog. Retrieved 21 September 2011. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help); line feed character in |work= at position 36 (help)

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