Talk:Castilians

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Onofre Bouvila 00:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Castilian was not transfered to the new world because it was predominant

It was just because the conquest of the new world was made only by Castilla, and only Castilians paid it, while Aragón was involved in its own wars in the Mediterranean. Even in Flanders, you can see which Kingdom the troops were coming form, because until the Bourbons took over, there were internal borders, taxes, different armies, currencies, courts, &c. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.16.31.100 (talk) 03:32, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

This is untrue, most of the troops in Flandes were actually from Castille, Castille was the biggest of the two entities that encompassed Spain. Charles I dissolved the taxes armies and currencies, courts were still there in the different Fueros, that's the only thing the Bourbons removed after the Sucession War and even then they respected various. In facth there are more, in the Kingdom of Aragon itself there used to be several different courts (as there were in Castille) and different taxations and armies up to the coming of Charles. Castille was the most populous kingdom the richest (in taxes) and the one that covered most of the Peninsula. Remember Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba fought the wars in Italy too, and he wasn't aragonese by any means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.3.145 (talk) 15:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Enrique Iglesias Not Castilian

Why is Enrique Iglesias' picture here? He was merely born in the region that's all. He's a world baby, raised abroad/from place to place. Ethnically his Spanish dad is Galician & Andalusian-Jewish, not Castilian and his mom is Filipina! He is not a good representation of a authentic Castilian person! I think his picture should be replaced preferably a woman. Why Only men pictured? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.213.248.116 (talk) 21:54, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree. I propose to change it with Isabel I de Castilla. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.83.80.43 (talk) 16:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm glad someone agrees with me. Isabella I of Castile would be fine I just don't know how to update that picture since it's not mine and don't know how to change it.--76.213.251.144 (talk) 00:01, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Cantabrian people

The administrative inclusion of Cantabria in Castile during a period of the history is a fact that although with tinges, cannot be discussed. Nevertheless I don’t agree absolutely in the ethnic “castellanity” of the Cantabrian population, shortly:
- Genetic studios: "Even today, Cantabrians (the Pasiego included, Lebaniegos excluded), at the North of the Iberian Peninsula, seem to be a genetically well differentiated community, as deduced from uniparental and autosomal markers, perhaps to a higher degree than their neighbours, the Basques". [[1]]
-First “historical” inhabitants of Cantabria are celts, while in most of Castile they are Iberian people, later we have to add a degree of much smaller romanization in the mountains, a little visigotic control and a null Muslim penetration behind the Cantabrian Mountains.
-Culturally, there is a completely different way of life in a mountainous and coastal region with abundant precipitations and smooth temperatures, as opposed to a dry interior plateau with great variations of temperatures.
-Finally, the perception of almost null castellanity. Historically, still with Cantabria in Castile, was obvious the difference between The Mountain (Cantabria) and Castile (ej: I´m going to Castile to…) and also there was different between being Montañés (Cantabrian) and Castilian (people from the plateau, on the south of The Mountain).

With this I don’t wanna give the idea that Cantabrians are a separate race, but if we speak of cultural and “ethnic” groups of Spain, not only separate by ancient kingdoms or “national realities”, but also by natural regions, and is obvious that the Cantabrian Mountains has represented during centuries a great barrier. In fact, within the own Cantabria, the “pasiegos” represent a differentiated ethnic, cultural and linguistic group that has been object of many studies. Equally Cantabrian and Asturian people probably form a group more homogenous than the one here proposed.

With this I request to retire cantabrian people of the article castilian people.
Uhanu 02:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess the basic test is whether Cantabrians consider themselves Castillan. I'm not sure whether they do, I have never been there and am not very familiar with their culture. But the same ambiguity goes for Manchegans. I am not sure that their Castillan "ethnicity" is beyond doubt as it says on the article. For one, the dialect of Spanish they speak is categorised as "Castellano meridonial" together with Extremeño, Murcian and Andalusian. Also la Mancha was historically part of the Kingdom of Toledo. --Burgas00 15:59, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I so much preferred Peter Paul Rubens' painting of Teresa. His genius as a painter captured her determined spirit. Mystic, terrific writer, but also tough and down to earth: very Castilian. Provocateur 08:21, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

-First “historical” inhabitants of Cantabria are celts, while in most of Castile they are Iberian people, later we have to add a degree of much smaller romanization in the mountains, a little visigotic control and a null Muslim penetration behind the Cantabrian Mountains.

This is FALSE. First inhabitants where paleolithic people, like the rest of iberians. The debate nowadays is if cels was more a culture acquisition than a racial fact. Anyway, romanization proccess was weak in cantabria so celtic culture did not disspeared at all like in other places of iberia.

The genetic studio is not about all cantabrians but pasiegos (and lebaniegos).

-Culturally, there is a completely different way of life in a mountainous and coastal region with abundant precipitations and smooth temperatures, as opposed to a dry interior plateau with great variations of temperatures.

And? In Castilla y Leon there is a different way of life in mountainous region as opossed to a dry interior platau, too. What kind of argument is this? Quiero decir que en cada sitio se tiene una climatologia diferente, en castilla y en la china, claro, es logico pero de ahi a decir practicamente que la climatologia hace que no seas de una cierta "nacionalidad", es un argumento muy debil, hasta ridiculo.

-Finally, the perception of almost null castellanity. Historically, still with Cantabria in Castile, was obvious the difference between The Mountain (Cantabria) and Castile (ej: I´m going to Castile to…) and also there was different between being Montañés (Cantabrian) and Castilian (people from the plateau, on the south of The Mountain).

Ok. I agree, this is only one strong argument : "the perception of almost null castellanity". Insistes en el argumento orografico y climatologico. Eso no tiene nada que ver con la nacionalidad hombre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.145.16.10 (talk) 07:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC) the castilian people are celts, like cantabrian they are not iberian. the iberian were in the mediterranean cost and suth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.152.30.111 (talk) 23:07, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Please read carefully what I said:
-First historical inhabitants of Cantabria are Celts, this is TRUE: fluvium Hiberum; is oritur ex Cantabris; magnus atque pulcher, pisculentus.Cato the Elder, Origines: VII, 195 BC. First prehistorical are Paleolithic (or more ancient); do you see the difference?.
-FALSE. The study is about pasiegos, but doing a comparison with the rest of Cantabrians, and the cite which talks about Cantabrians was a quote in the paper. In fact :"the geographic origins of the samples were as follows: 82 Pasiegos from any of the Three Pasiego Villas at the southern border of the current province of Cantabria, 72 Lebaniegos, and a pool of 88 non-Pasiego and non-Lebaniego Cantabrians from different localities"
-Finally, obviously the climatology, geography and orography do not make a nation, I did not say that. I said they determine a way of life and a culture, and this article does not speak of nations but people, culture. (Anyway it is only one more point, not a definitive feature).
Again, I recommend you reading carefully before answering, and in English please. Uhanu (talk) 19:38, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Fernando Torres

Why has the image of the footballer Fernando Torres been removed ? - he is one of the best known Castilians in the world at the moment.Provocateur (talk) 00:17, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Madrid is in Castile, even though it is an administrive region in it's own right!

One province in Castile, which is now a region in it's own right, is Madrid.

Even though Madrid is the capital and it has welcomed people from other regions of Spain and indeed the world, especially from Latin America, the Castilians from Madrid, deny that they are Castilians by saying that they have a regional identity distinct from Castile. People from Toledo, Segovia and Valladolid see themselves as Castilian so why not Madrid people? Many of there ancestors came from Castile! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.107.81 (talk) 00:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Castilian flag should be show with flags of autonomous regions.

the Castilians and Castile have their own flag, the golden castle in the red or purple, background. Why not show it? It is their ethnic flag, the flags of the autonomous regions that make up Castile, are seperate flags that use the Castilian flag, like Castilla y Leon, which uses it with the Leonese symbol and Castilla-La Mancha which uses it with a white background. If you are going to show these flags with the Madrid flag, why not the Castilian one as well? even though Castile is not an official administrive region any more! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.253.247.15 (talk) 09:17, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

cantabros

the firsts castilian people are not iberian they are celts like cantabrians, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.152.30.111 (talk) 22:57, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

There were people in all parts of Iberia long before the arrival of the Celtic culture and the region was thoroughly culturally Latinized by the Roman Empire later on. And its that which survives to this day as the basis of Castilian and in fact all modern Iberian culture. Provocateur (talk) 12:31, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Women

One woman only? This is ridiculous! There should be at least several more images of women, including Queen Isabel I, who is, after all, among the most important figures in world history.Provocateur (talk) 12:15, 10 May 2012 (UTC)