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dob[edit]

MMM there is an issue with his DoB, the Tribune says 18 October, Monsters says 18 November.Slatersteven (talk) 13:22, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

convicion[edit]

He was convicted on 1980, the crime was committed in February 1979.Slatersteven (talk) 13:26, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I added 1979 from the source you added, I just made it a full cite and used sfn template. The 1980 add was unsourced, so I removed it. Seraphim System ^(talk) 13:53, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it was sourced, just not in that line, but the source was in the article. And the for 1979 does not say he was convicted in 1979.Slatersteven (talk) 13:57, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

He was convicted of a crime committed on 27 feb 1979.Slatersteven (talk) 13:59, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There was no citation when I removed it. You are reverting and editing kind of fast, and it may have been lost when I was cleaning up the citations. I will check. I fixed the citation issue regarding the date of the shooting, but I had an edit conflict while trying to fix it which is pretty unnecessary, imo. Seraphim System ^(talk) 14:01, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There was no citation [1] Seraphim System ^(talk) 14:02, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You are not required to cite everything, if a cite is already in an article you do not have to repeat it each time you quote a fact from it, also see In Harm's Way - A Dismal State of Justice: The Legal Odyssey of Cesar Fierro page 128. Also you are supposed to tag unsourced material not just delete it (especially when sources you are using say the same thing).Slatersteven (talk) 14:05, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I could do that, or I could remove it which is what I chose to do in this case. That said, Wikipedia articles are constantly edited so it is best if you do add citations to each statement. There were several other problems with the edits as well, including "Juarez (who was 25 years old at the time)" - Juarez, of course, being a place in Mexico, and not a person and an article cited for the statement that he was "reared in both the US and Mexico" that did not mention either Juarez or Fierro. Another cite for his birthplace being Juarez that also failed verification. Please remember that this is still a BLP (I think) - I cleaned them up your edits as best as I could, instead of wholesale reverting them, and that was generous. Seraphim System ^(talk) 14:16, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Policy does not say we should add cites to each statements, in fact policy implies the opposite, that cites should only be used if material is challenged.Slatersteven (talk) 14:28, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And WP:V says that anything unsourced can be removed. This article is still a stub, I will add to it, but I haven't looked through the full books yet. However, cites are not only for controversial adds, they are for WP:V, so when another editor asks you to add them, as I am doing, for verification purposes, then you should, imo. Seraphim System ^(talk) 14:41, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And if you had asked there would not have been an issue, you deleted material that you has no valid reason to challenge. To quote WP:V "If you want to request a source for an unsourced statement, you can tag a sentence with the ^{[citation needed]} template by writing ^{[citation needed]} or ^{[citation needed]}.", you did not do this. Yes you are doing it now (after you have been told what the cite is).Slatersteven (talk) 14:47, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I see you added a citation, thank you. I think usually we are very thorough about citations because our editors are very thorough about verification and in practice, unsourced material is almost always reverted, even when it is minor things like dates. Seraphim System ^(talk) 14:51, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]