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Biographical information on Charlotte Perkins Gilman

Because it seems to be a barely useful bibliographical Harvard catalog search and not biographical. Caltrop 13:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Who brought up her daughter?[edit]

There seems to be conflicting text. Too Old 06:24, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

although it is somewhat unclear as written, the article does have accurate and non-conflicted information. Charlotte "separated" from her husband in 1890 (during this period she moved to california with her daughter), but she divorced her husband formally (and on good terms) in 1894... at this point, Charlotte sent her daughter to live with her husband (who had married charlotte's best friend, Grace Channing). I should probably clarify this in the article and post it with a source. Jxn 00:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- - - In first paragraph of "Life" the word nephew was corrected to read NIECE.*****

bibliography section[edit]

I've added a bibliography section (btw, the 'career' section needs to be streamlined as a result) but I couldn't find a date for each of her novels on Project Gutenberg. Also, since she published 8 novels, 170 stories, 100 poems, and 200 non-fiction pieces in Frontrunner, it would be good to expand that list. Zigzig20s 07:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup[edit]

-- This article is a good start, but needs quite a lot of cleaning up. I've done some initial work in terms of wording, style, and citations, but don't know enough about Perkins Gilman yet to correct any factual problems. The language still needs quite a lot of work to get up to Wikipedia standards, and some sections (notably Critical Appreciation) clearly show the disconnected work of several authors. I've also replaced the handmade list in the References section with an actual references tag, which the page was missing despite a number of properly formatted citations. I'm not sure yet if any of the manually placed references are not included in the new list; someone may need to look into this at some point. Jlandahl 20:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-- Labour Lawyer (talk) 20:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC) I'm a little concerned about a number of opinions which need to be qualified, attributed or supported. For example "In 1888, Gilman separated from her husband--a rare occurrence in the late nineteenth century, but one that was necessary for the improvement of her mental health." This appears to be a medical opinion, but that makes no sense, as such a diagnosis would clearly not have been given in that historical period. Presumably, she herself formed this view, but in that case there needs to be a reference to some documented autobiographical observation supporting this being her opinion. Labour Lawyer (talk) 20:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

-- "Her name is derived from two of Frederic's aunts, "Charlotte" and "Anna".[1] " Can someone please clarify how Charlotte + Anna = Charlotte? Is the Anna silent? 128.172.28.7 (talk) 20:00, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No-one has provided an explanation for the question above so I will remove this part of the article. Mccarcass (talk) 14:48, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Gilman's thoughts on Darwinism[edit]

The paragraph dealing with this is unclear. I do not know enough about the subject to correct it. Mccarcass (talk) 16:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Chronology of Lifestory[edit]

Hi. I am just pointing out that the chronology of Charlotte Perkins Gilman's lifestory could use some reorganization to make it more sensible. As it reads now it is very confusing as she jumps from the U.S. East Coast to the Pacific then back to the East then from New York to Connecticut, seemingly grouped by topic rather than time. However, to put together a more effective chronology of this influential woman would require having access to more, if not many of the references already using in this article, with the objective of providing a clearer path of her life's progression... Best... Stevenmitchell (talk) 16:43, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eugenics[edit]

How come there is no mention of her and eugenics? Wasn't she an advocate of eugenics to control human evolution and what she saw as an imbalance in human racial development? She is not shy about this in her writings... Is this a slight, or actually overwhelming oversight? Stevenmitchell (talk) 16:43, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Because you haven't added it yet. A search of the article's history shows that there was never a mention of eugenics in the text so it doesn't look the information was removed, but rather nobody thought to add it. One of the benefits of Wikipedia being freely editable is that editors with all sorts of knowledge can help address these gaps in coverage and biases. I wouldn't be so quick to attribute the omission to malice when it could just as well be explained by WIkipedia's systemic bias. A web search shows a lot of results for Gilman and "feminist eugenics" so it does seem to be well known. Maybe the editors who contributed to the "Social views and theories" section just didn't stumble upon it. I encourage you to utilize reliable sources and add the information yourself, even a brief subsection would provide a good place for expansion later and would suffice as a mention. Opencooper (talk) 19:42, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Section on Race =[edit]

This lacks balance as it quotes selectively from the American Journal of Sociology. For example, it leaves out Gilman's critique of chattel slavery ("It is true that Race B in many ways retards the progress of Race A, and grievously offends against it; but it is also true that Race A was the original offender, and has a list of injuries to Race B, greatly outnumbering the counter list."). Also, the overall tone of the article makes me wonder if this is satire along the lines of "A Modest Proposal." I suggest revising it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmprescott (talk • contribs) 18:34, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a good suggestion, also seems like you're the one with the knowledge to make the revision and the sources to back it up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cclowe (talk • contribs) 05:05, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Death[edit]

Can someone please confirm how she killed herself. It seems excessively unlikely that someone would die of an overdose of confections. ~~ Denis (talk) 16:00, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It was vandalized. I've reverted the changes. Opencooper (talk) 18:01, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

“.. “She wrote that she ‘chose chloroform over cancer’ and she died quickly and quietly.[19]” —She wrote about her own death? Assuming not, but do we actually know whether her death was “quick” and/or “quiet”? I’ll remove that clause if I can’t cite. Sugarbat (talk) 21:32, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The whole sentence attributes the quoted portion to both a suicide note and to her autobiography, published in the same year as her death. It appears that she used the intended method. The characterization as quick and quiet presumably reflects the judgment of some third party. I can't tell who that may be. One can imagine such a statement in a preface to the autobiography, published close in time to her death. It seems likely that she made arrangements to see its publication through and that her editor or literary executor knew of the circumstances. Alternatively, the note at the sentence cites only a two volume edition of her diaries published in 1994 by an academic press, at page 813, which seems likely to be close to the end of the second volume. Such works often include additional related material as well as contextualizing scholarly essays or commentary. The citation style is confusing as note 22 both precedes and follows note 23. Both citations refer to a brief period of moving back to California after her husband's death. In between, note 23 regarding her breast cancer diagnosis refers to an intellectual biography focused on Gilman as an architectural thinker. It seems that 1934 was an annus horribilis for Gilman. Chris Lowe (talk) 02:06, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete?[edit]

' She was a utopian feminist' not defined with source. Doubt title valid. 'and served as a role model for future generations of feminists ' Don't see how. She's unknown. 'Her best remembered work today is her semi-autobiographical short story "The Yellow Wallpaper",' So she's virtually unknown and not notable. Seedy delete recommended.109.144.217.140 (talk) 18:31, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If this happened, it would in fact be a seedy delete. I need to find out about the acceptability of deleting unserious comments like this made by one-day hit "editors." Chris Lowe (talk) 04:57, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

bisexuality[edit]

shouldn't her bisexuality mean she has bisexual women and bisexual writers categories? 188.29.233.10 (talk) 11:47, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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