Talk:Charlotte Smith (writer)

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Children[edit]

what happened to Charlotte Turner Smith's children? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.152.47 (talk • contribs) 18:11, Feb 15, 2009 (UTC)

Indented line I know Nicholas Hankey Smith married Anni Petroose (or Petrovose?) and later married a Susan Pierpoint. [Lionel_Smith,_1st_Baronet|Lionel Smith] become Governor of Jamaica. --Kartano (talk) 05:16, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed merge of On Being Cautioned Against Walking on an Headland into Charlotte Turner Smith[edit]

noto sufficient notable in its own right DGG ( talk ) 10:00, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"On Being Cautioned" is one of Smith's most popular & widely anthologized poems, which has substantial secondary discussion (though I haven't pulled them together for a 'major themes' section yet). I believe it meets GNG, but if it needs to be merged into another article, that article should surely be Elegiac Sonnets. I made its own article because Elegiac Sonnets seemed likely to become overburdened if individual sonnets were discussed in depth there, but maybe it is better to let that article get large and then see how it should be split out? ~ oulfis 🌸(talk) 17:03, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose major poem by a significant poet, the coverage exists for a reasonable stand-alone article and there is no clear benefit to merging. Eddie891 Talk Work 15:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I asked for further opinions at Wikiproject poetry (no response) and Women in Green. At WiG the two responses indicated that, since the sourcing exists for the poem to meet GNG on its own, its better to have separate articles for them even if they are somewhat short. So I think the consensus is that a merge is not appropriate. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 00:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. There's no natural section in which to merge this in either the author's article or the book's. And it's sufficiently notable to support a standalone page. pburka (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why unlink "On Being Cautioned"?[edit]

@Bmcln1: Why do you think the wikilink should be removed for the poem "On Being Cautioned"? If the poem is not linked, it hardly seems to make sense to single it out from the hundred other sonnets in Elegiac Sonnets. I am more easily persuaded that the poem shouldn't be listed at all, than that it should be listed and unlinked. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 20:32, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Don't follow you but never mind. Do as you wish. Bmcln1 (talk) 09:23, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Jacobin novelists"[edit]

The article on the "Jacobin novel" lists Charlotte Turner Smith as one of the Jacobin novelists. But nowhere in this article is there any mention of her being a part of this group. 2607:FB91:1488:D104:AC39:6AF7:671C:99CB (talk) 00:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dismissive, belittling tone of Wikipedia article about Charlotte Turner Smith[edit]

The Wikipedia article about Charlotte Turner Smith

Charlotte Smith (née Turner; 4 May 1749 – 28 October 1806)

Who died in 1806 after being poverty-stricken and paralyzed by ill-health for the last three years of her life.

Charlotte Turner Smith was trafficked at age 15 by her father as a child bride to a chronically violent older man (she later described her role in the marriage as that of a "legal prostitute"). She bore him 12 children over 22 years, and finally fled him 22 years later at age 37 with 9 of her 11 still living children (ages 17 to 2 years old; at which point her oldest two children were 18 and 20 years old). As she explained, she fled at this point because she feared that if she did not, her violent husband would kill her.

She published her first work, a book of poetry, several years before she fled her husband -- written while she was in debtors prison with the violent husband (she having had to leave her children with relatives). This first work was a popular and financial success. After fleeing her violent husband with the nine children, she proceeded to publish 10 novels, at least four books for children, as well as some non-fiction, and a quantity a poetry which was very well regarded, all of which she was paid for.

So she accomplished all this while raising nine children by herself, after two decades of constant physical violence that started at age 15. Despite the undoubted PTSD that she must have been experiencing as a result of all this, the constant money worries, and the hard work associated with raising nine children by herself, she accomplished this significant literary output, as well as being a skillful enough business woman to manage the financial side of her craft.

In addition she was an accomplished political thinker and writer -- and publicly recognized as such by her colleagues at the time -- powerfully weaving political analysis and ideas into her published works -- so effectively that she had an ongoing conflict with the censors, she trying to get her ideas across under the radar.

So not only was she an impressively prolific writer at the time under the most difficult circumstances -- admirable enough in itself -- but what she wrote is wonderful (i've read all her fiction I can get my hands on) and we are still talking about her work more than two hundred years later!

When I read her novels several years ago, i immediately turned to Wikipedia to learn more about this fabulous writer! Imagine my surprise at finding that the Wikipedia article about her was -- and sadly still is -- lukewarm at best, and otherwise patronizing, dismissive and insultingly belittling from beginning to end.

Charlotte Turner Smith is an admirable figure, for so many reasons, and from whom we can learn lots, including from her fabulous novels (you could publish passages from "The Old Manor House" today in any of the main news sites -- practically without changing a word -- and people would think you were talking about current political issues). I appreciate all the hard work people have put into creating this article, but there is absolutely no reason for the article to have this tone -- the public deserves a more accurate picture of this amazing woman.

[A key source of information -- and more importantly opinion -- about Smith in this Wikipedia article is a biographical sketch of her (Zimmerman, Sarah M (2007). Smith [née Turner], Charlotte. OUP) which makes absolutely no reference to the fact that she was sold into marriage against her will at 15 to a violent older man who was chronically violent throughout her life with him, impregnating her every year or two with 12 children over 22 years, whom she had to flee to save her life. A biographical sketch which additionally, and seemingly incomprehensibly, includes snide dismissive comments about the sketch's subject.

Why would we trust the opinion of someone who leaves out such a huge and central portion of the story of this historical figure?] 2607:FB91:1488:D104:AC39:6AF7:671C:99CB (talk) 06:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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