Talk:Chirlane McCray

A fact from Chirlane McCray appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 4 September 2013 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Chirlane McCray, who wrote the "groundbreaking" 1979 essay "I Am a Lesbian" for Essence, later married Bill de Blasio?

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name pronunciation[edit]

My best guesses are Shir-LAAYN or Shir-LAH-nay, but i wonder if someone can put some appropriate IPA next to her name, for those of us outside of NYC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.129.222.87 (talk) 18:06, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

she is a former lesbian[edit]

It's not a matter of opinion, she described herself as a lesbian at one time and now she describes herself as happily married to a man. Hence she is a former lesbian. --107.199.68.204 (talk) 23:08, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't make her a "former lesbian". When she was asked about her status after marrying de Blasio, she said she now eschews "labels". Therefore, we don't label her. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

'she said she now eschews "labels".' which makes her a former lesbian on two levels. --107.199.68.204 (talk) 23:51, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That is her call to make, not yours. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:39, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And her call was made when she declared herself happily/monogamously married to a man. --107.199.68.204 (talk) 01:56, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. According to guidelines that fall under BLP, we need a statement from a living subject about their sexual orientation; we cannot infer it from their choice of partner. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

her statement that she's happily/monogamously married to a man means nothing to you? --107.199.68.204 (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Good call. Trying to determine someone's sexual orientation on the basis of their spouse or partner's gender is futile guesswork and, for our purposes, original research. Rivertorch (talk) 17:24, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

She's also said she loves him. --107.199.68.204 (talk) 17:36, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That she says she loves him and that she's happily married to a man means exactly that and nothing more. It does not mean she is a former lesbian. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You left out that she's monogamous. --107.199.68.204 (talk) 18:16, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And that changes, what? – Muboshgu (talk) 23:33, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've requested page protection here. This is, as Roscelese says, a BLP violation. We can't verify that she is anything other than married to a man. Inclusions of "former lesbian" imply that she has denounced her status as a lesbian, and there's no evidence to suggest that. – Muboshgu (talk) 11:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Self identification as a former lesbian[edit]

Looks like the newspapers are describing her as a former lesbian too.

What's more here's a quote from her "“In the 1970s, I identified as a lesbian" notice the past tense?

--107.199.68.204 (talk) 05:38, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. It doesn't necessarily mean what you claim it means. "Identify" also means the public utterance of identity. The utterance was in the past, the identification need not be. I think you should stop speculating; it's bad enough that semi-protection had to be applied to stop you from speculating in the article. Drmies (talk) 14:37, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how much more clear we can be. Per WP:BLP, we categorize people only as they categorize themselves. She used to categorize herself as a lesbian, so we note that. Now, she refuses to categorize herself. She has never categorized herself as a "former lesbian" or as "straight", so we don't assume that she is. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:42, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If that newspaper is the Post, it's anything but an objective source. What makes a man turn neutral? (talk) 17:23, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Birthday[edit]

I was able to find her birthday by looking up her voter registration. How does one go about sourcing that? Frumpylittlefellow (talk) 16:07, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You don't. You go to jail. NYS Election Law Sec 3-103(5) prohibits using information derived from voter registration records for non-election purposes.Wlmg (talk) 01:06, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Lead[edit]

JesseRafe We're off to a bad start. Can you please explain why you insist on reverting my changes to the lead to turn a specific description about a prominent controversy into something mushy, vague, and confusing? Wikieditor19920 (talk) 18:23, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was away for a few days, but it looks like now you've removed the aspect that was controversial/criticized entirely from the lede. Did you change your mind about the interpretation of the MOS? JesseRafe (talk) 13:08, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]