Talk:Christman Genipperteinga

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How to improve? open for suggestions.[edit]

Personally, I was rather uncertain whether I should at all have any reference to the German author Kirschslager, who have self-published, and hence, most definitely, cannot be regarded as a reliable source to facts. Furthermore, he is basing his account upon an inferior, folkloristic version of the Genipperteinga tale, rather than the original 1581 account I, and for that matter scholar joy Wiltenburg are referring to. However: Is it irrelevant, or sub-relevant, to pinpoint those elements within folklore that has merged with the original over the last 400 years?

This is, in particular, the elements of magic, contracts with the Devil, and issues with cannibalism, clearly conflating Genipperteinga with his contemporary chummy Peter Nirsch (he only managed to kill 520, but apparantly, 24 of those were pregnant women he ripped the fetus out of for luncheon).

The article might improve by deleting the whole last section on folklore, and that is perhaps easier done than expanding that section into a serious, well-referenced discussion of the relation between the 16th century robber tales like Genipperteinga's and their life in fiction later on. Even though the latter approach may be more rewarding for the critical reader. Arildnordby (talk) 23:58, 28 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How to improve this article? Get rid of it. None of it can be proven and it reads like a broadside ballad. The only things you've got that might be described as "facts" are his name, his date of execution and how he was executed.

Yes it reads like a broadside ballad; but such lurid and evocative tales perform an important function in the "literature of transgression". They inhabit a hinterland between grisly folklore and the modern urban legend. Their unproveability and macabre verisimilitude make them irresistible cultural signposts to the fear-filled, Gothic mind.

However, I will ask this: is it really necessary to include massive chunks of German prose? This is English Wikipedia, we have no requirement to read the tale in the original. The short, creepily poetic verses are effective and should be retained. But be merciful and spare us the others!

Nuttyskin (talk) 00:33, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone know how to make jpgs or things like that from google Books?[edit]

Matthew Vanitas made a very good suggestion that the article will enliven with, say, a woodcut, if such exists. I haven't found any, but the front page of herber's account is quite beatiful. and informative But I don't know if it is possible to get it transcribed, transferred/transpicted?? onto the article? Arildnordby (talk) 00:12, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide a link? I've found the book online, both through a link in the references section and in a google search, and neither have a woodcut image that I can recognize, unless I'm misunderstanding you. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 15:10, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just meant the front page, with the text. I hven't found any wood-cuts, but wondered if the front page could be converted into a jpg or something.

http://books.google.no/books?id=dJBSAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=intitle:m%C3%B6rder&hl=no&sa=X&ei=SO7uUPehAc3E4gTW8YDICQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false Arildnordby (talk) 16:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Here's the original cover, and here's a version where I removed the pencil markings and stamp. All I did was zoom in the book cover on Google Books until it became pixellated, then zoomed out one step, and took screenshots of each section. I do not know the copyright status of scans of book covers. Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag lists scans of 2D objects as OK to upload to Commons, but 3D objects are not. Book covers are, like, 2D objects on top of 3D objects, so if you're unsure of these images' copyright status, you'll have to take it up with WP:C. Hope this is what you're looking for! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 22:50, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a million! I cannot possibly see how that image could be under copyright restrictions. (But, I'll check it out). A MUCH bigger problem for a tech-idiot like me is: I don't know what codes I should write in order to make that latest version of yours appear as an image on the Genipperteinga page (great cleaning job you did, thanks!). That's how dumb I am. Is this conversion into jpg something I must do separately, prior to paste it into the article, or is there some code I can use, with link reference to your last version?

(For example, at one website I frequent, I just use a code like "[img]jpg-link[/img]" and then by magic the image appears. ) I am so totally out of my element, so if you kindly could explain this to me, I'd be immensely grateful) Arildnordby (talk) 10:51, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

HOORAY!![edit]

I managed the jpg all by myself! Thank you very much for cleaning the picture and making it available to me! Arildnordby (talk) 16:48, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations! It looks good. Sorry I wasn't online earlier, but I think you'll be happier having figured this out yourself. Your image page looks good too, with proper PD tags and everything (as far as I'm aware). In case you don't know, you can control the position and size of the image within your article as well, using, for example, |thumb|left|220px. See WP:PIC for more info. By the way, I didn't realize you'd created this article. I found it after reading about the Breaking wheel and seeing the example of a man surviving nine days on this thing. Amazing story. Very nice contribution to the encyclopedia! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 22:07, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Again, thanks a million! And yes, it is more fun to find out this by myself (but good helpers like you are very much appreciated!)

Arildnordby (talk) 22:14, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Original research?[edit]

I have the feeling that large parts of this article rely on original research. Especially the review of "similar robber tales" cites mostly primary sources, without establishing the link to the article's actual topic. The only secondary sources that may have some bearing on Genipperteinga occur in the section on Papedöne. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 08:41, 2 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup and Expansion[edit]

This article is poorly written and requires significant attention. The article is written in a style that doesn't meet Wikipiedia's standards of an encyclopedic tone, it needs to be rewritten so that it meets this sites standards. This article also contains improperly titled sections which either need to be renamed or merged with other sections in the article. Information such as possible origins of the character need to be added to the origins section with proper citations. Also, information such as purported locations of Genipperteinga's cave (if mentioned) need to be added in a separate section. This article also contains excessive use of quotes that either need to be reworded when necessary. This article has potential, but it needs to be given significant attention in order to bring it up to standards.--Paleface Jack (talk) 18:19, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Re-reading this article, I've noticed that the information on Genipperteinga seems to be all over the place and jumbled around. Rewritting this article will be a real challenge since every piece of information needs to be filtered and sorted into appropriate sections/sub-sections. There should be a section on the legend/purported history of Genipperteinga with a sub section detailing variations of the legend, all of which will need to be given proper citations. Before this section, another section detailing the historical background (events and conditions that would lead up to the origins of the Genipperteinga legend) again giving proper citations for information. Another section should detail historians research on whether or not Genipperteinga was an actual person. Finally there should be a legacy section which details the influence of the legend and (if any) appearances/references in popular culture. Another issue that plagues this article is the format of citations used in the article. Not that all of the citations in this article are bad, the ones that are from books need to be redone. Since the bibliography in this article is so massive, any information that is taken from one of the sources listed in the bibliography should be cited using the {{sfn|Author|Date of Publication|Page Number. There is so much work that is needed to make this article fit with Wikipiedia's guidelines and standards of a well developed and properly sourced article.--Paleface Jack 19:36, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Kronos?[edit]

Isn't it have similarities with Cronos and polyhemus myth? Cronos ate his children, and polyphemus had a lair and been blinded by odysseus in his sleep with help of strong wine like the arrest of this guy.

Discrepancy with German version[edit]

the German version of this article repeatedly states that the very existence of this character hasn't been proven by historical sources whereas this article offers quite a lot of details and presents them as credible. This seems... strange. 45.138.141.195 (talk) 20:32, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]